New Study Shows Link Between Liberalism, Atheism to Higher IQ

mmarsh said:
That may be, but yes people in general are brainwashed in college. Havn't you been to college yet?

Brainwashing how? Because they dont subscibe to your ideas? A student goes to college to learn not to teach. If they didnt subscribe to your way of thinking its probably because there is a inherit flaw with it, or that they simply disagreed. Thats hardly brainwashing, it means you didnt make your case. The fault is with your argument not their reasoning of it.

I find many conservative arguements while full of confidence and zeal are often minus the very basic facts, either by ignorance or "selective research" -meaning inconvient facts that disprove or run contrary to conservative thinking are simply discarded or ignored. Often is the case that something sounds good like "Liberals hate guns" because they believe in gun control. Rather than the facts, "they might believe in gun control but go visit New England sometime during the fall to see how anti-gun they are".

You cant have it both ways. This idea amongst conservatives that higher education is a bad thing -and then be upset with studies such as this one.

Mind you -I am not saying that every conservative is a stupid moron. But the base of the movement, (not the intellectuals) has become more of a Borg Collective mind that simply repeat whatever they are told, without bothering to check whether its actually true or not. Liberals have their faults, but this ability to bleat on cue isnt one of them.
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ok ok, wow never said that it was a bad thing, but especially where im from, wisconsin, with UW Madison being the best school in the state, its a VERY liberal school and ive been told by numerous people of moderate political stance that the school brainwashes you and to think anything besides the liberal norm is out of the question. Also i plan on going to college to get my docterate in history so i can become a college professor, so i love higher eductation. Also i have been told by professors that its incrediably difficult for someone with conservative/liberterian views to get a job.
 
Rob Henderson said:
When was the last time you met a conservative atheist? . . . Exactly.

The topic is the article, which discusses the study. Therefore the topic is, by extension, the study. It is not anyone's fault but your own and perhaps the education system in which you were taught that you cannot grasp this *somewhat* abstract concept.


P.S Chukpike, you have been raving about how the study has not been presented, but the writer of the article speaks about the study. And, since she cannot lie in her writings, the study obviously holds some truth.

Your use of the article is somewhat comical. You attempt to use it to backfire on mmarsh and myself, yet you further prove OUR point... Superiority and elitism has to do with IQs, as per your article, so if mmarsh and I are attempting to show superiority and elitism, it must mean we have higher IQs, right? So we just conducted our own version of the study right here! How's THAT for facts?
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ah im a liberterian, some would call me conservative and im a atheist, but whats so wrong with religon, i dont get why atheists have to attack people who have religous beliefs.
 
Chukpike said:
And Rob the quote from the article is;
"Behaviors may stem from desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ."

It does not mean you actually have a higher IQ.
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Think about that for a minute.
"Behaviors may stem from desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ."
Oh yeah, it has to do with IQ alrighty, something I learned years back is those that try to show their superiority are actually more inferior than others and the feeling of inadequacy is what pushes them to show it.
 
Bacara said:
ok ok, wow never said that it was a bad thing, but especially where im from, wisconsin, with UW Madison being the best school in the state, its a VERY liberal school and ive been told by numerous people of moderate political stance that the school brainwashes you and to think anything besides the liberal norm is out of the question. Also i plan on going to college to get my docterate in history so i can become a college professor, so i love higher eductation. Also i have been told by professors that its incrediably difficult for someone with conservative/liberterian views to get a job.
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Bacara

I too went to a VERY liberal school in Indiana (a very conservative state), much more liberal than I am so I know what you are talking about. It was like being on a tiny political island in the middle of the pacific ocean. But it was not brainwashing, its simply a gross imbalanced in terms of its political thinking makeup, but that isnt the fault of the school. My school was about as hippy as you can come and I remember a speach given by the president of the school (who was a moderate) my junior year stating that while he wanted to include rightwing thinking into the circirculum it was simply impossible to do so because there were simply too few available qualified candidates.

If you look at the chart here in this survey (about the middle of the page) it shows that in terms of under-Graduate Ideologues Liberals outnumber Conservatives 48% to 25%. That means there are twice the number of liberal graduates than conservatives. And this survey does not even count gradute studies which I suspect the gap would be even wider. This goes a very long way in explaining why there are fewer conservative teachers. And also why liberals would test higher on IQ test.

http://pewresearch.org/pubs/17/in-search-of-ideologues-in-america

Also remember that in addition to political ideology they must be qualified in their subject matter. Recruiting college professors is alot like drafting professional athletes, you go with the candidate with the better record. If you are recruiting for a Princeton University Economics Professor and the choice is Paul Krugman a Nobel peace prize winning economist who is liberal, and a unknown, not published, conservative economist who are you going to hire? Its a no-brainer. This too has alot to do with it.
 
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Hmmm said:
Think about that for a minute.
"Behaviors may stem from desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ."
Oh yeah, it has to do with IQ alrighty, something I learned years back is those that try to show their superiority are actually more inferior than others and the feeling of inadequacy is what pushes them to show it.
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Sources, please.
 
George said:
At the same time they are they only publication that did the news media's job & found the truth about John Edwards, of course it was thier kind of story. Latest I've heard is he might get indicted by a Grand Jury.
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Took me a bit to check that out, but it was not the National Enquirer it seems, instead the NY Sun. Little difference I suppose. I dunno.

Rob Henderson said:
Sources, please.
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LOL! Read Chuk's posts. And then re-read what I wrote. Word for word.
Am I quoting him? Maybe so, but then, as I said, reread what I said. Word for word.
 
Ok, "college". How's that for a source? When I sat and thought about the time frame involved, we're talking back in 1995. And you want me to give you a book title and author? LOL!
 
According to Chupike standards, you have to prove that the college, the professor, and the book all exist, find the exact page and prove that the copy of the book that the professor was showing actually is not missing that page.
Oh and you will have to prove that the professor was in that day, in that classroom, not just at work and that he or she indeed brought that book that particular day and actually showed it.
The evidence has got to be on the internet somewhere...
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Seriously guys.
 
Hmmm said:
Ok, "college". How's that for a source? When I sat and thought about the time frame involved, we're talking back in 1995. And you want me to give you a book title and author? LOL!
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Surely you could put up SOME sort of link for us to peruse. It's what's asked of us every other thread, so why shouldn't we expect it from other people?


EDIT: This one came across a little harsh. I'm being sarcastic about it, just for the record.
 
Rob Henderson said:
Surely you could put up SOME sort of link for us to peruse. It's what's asked of us every other thread, so why shouldn't we expect it from other people?


EDIT: This one came across a little harsh. I'm being sarcastic about it, just for the record.
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Relax Rob, believe me I know how frustrating it can be not to get sources when requested.;-)

There just isn't anything that can be done about it.
 
Rob, if it's something recent, that's a different story. But when we're talking about close to 15 years ago.....

You need a beer Rob.
 
Rob Henderson said:
Hmmm said:
Think about that for a minute.
"Behaviors may stem from desire to show superiority or elitism, which also has to do with IQ."
Oh yeah, it has to do with IQ alrighty, something I learned years back is those that try to show their superiority are actually more inferior than others and the feeling of inadequacy is what pushes them to show it.
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Sources, please.
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Here Rob, because I believe that sources should be supplied when requested I will help you out. It really isn't that hard.

"those that try to show their superiority are actually more inferior than others and the feeling of inadequacy is what pushes them to show it." quote Hmmm

The type of behavior Hmmm describes above is referred to as an inferiority complex. This causes overcompensation. Here is a link to the developer of this theory Alfred Adler, M.D. (1870-1937);

http://psasadler.org/about.htm

"Adlerian Psychology is perhaps best known for the concept of the inferiority complex. Adler viewed some behavior as overcompensation for perceived shortcomings."

"Both the inferiority complex and overcompensation indicated to Adler an exaggerated concern with self."

This is just one source, but just enter "inferiority complex" or "overcompensation" in you search engine and thousands more will appear.
 
Chuk we have to remember that he's fresh out of high school. I learned about the inferiority complex originally when I was a volunteer with the developmentally impaired. Then when I was in college I took a psychology course on improving employment seeking skills (can you imagine some of the stupid antics employers will go to? Man, it's totally weird!).
 
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