New Study Shows Link Between Liberalism, Atheism to Higher IQ

Monty, you got it right on.

These "You said that I said that you said that I said..., and did I not prove the contrary...?" threads are boring, and show a severe lack of debate quality... There would - in theory - so many more truly interesting comments if someone would want to make them...

Thanks for pointing it out again (as redneck and mmarsh also), it seems some ppl (I am addressing that to both sides to a point, while not to same degree) are not able to drive this type of threads to become more interesting (I have no clue why, but my guess would be they feel threatened for lack of true ego).

Also bowing out.

Rattler

It doesn't matter no one wants to read 30 pages of "No you are" responses.

This forum is struggling to get any movement now it will die completely if all people have to read is inane responses to inane questions, if Chukpike is only interested in sources then you have a choice:
a) Find them.
b) say you don't have them.
The end.

The next bit is just a personal observation:

This board is not rocket science and nothing we say here will change the world or even lance a boil on its arse so for the sake of your own sanity just let some things go.

And Chuk mate, sometimes the sky is blue and s**t happens and you don't need a source to tell you that so for the love of whatever deity you want to believe in please stop being so pedantic.

This is where I bow out of this thread (unless of course there is something worth responding to).
 
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Rob.

Rob Henderson.

THE Rob Henderson.

Not trying to bait.

Ohhhh! That's a good one! :jump:
...sorry, where is the "baiting" again? At least the guy is posting something and getting some freaking responses.

I think this article is a load of crap, but geesh, at least people are posting again.

I would like to know where the actual results of this test are...and not a summary of them. And I want to see pictures of the guys in the study. I bet they are all grumpy men that need a hug.
 
...sorry, where is the "baiting" again? At least the guy is posting something and getting some freaking responses.

I think this article is a load of crap, but geesh, at least people are posting again.

I would like to know where the actual results of this test are...and not a summary of them. And I want to see pictures of the guys in the study. I bet they are all grumpy men that need a hug.
Don't worry about it, pixie. I'm not going to let these gentlemen provoke me anymore. I've learned from my temp. ban. They're not worth it. (But thanks for the support. :) )


The actual study will be posted in Social Psychology Quarterly, I'm not sure when, but the summary gave a link to the website where it will be posted online. As soon as it comes out, I'll post a link to it. Don't you worry about that.
 
First of all, I am going to say that this Study (and what I am about to say later) refers to American Conservatives, not groups like the Tories or the Canadian Conservative Party or other conservatives groupes in other countries.

That being said: I am going to have to say that the study is probably accurate, at least as far as the US goes. The reason I say this is because in general liberals are better educated than conservatives. That is not to say that smart, well educated, conservatives dont exsist or there is no such thing as a stupid liberal. But on the whole, liberals are simply better educated. Education is a key measure of intelligence.

If you look at university, most college professors are liberals. This study stated that 72% of college professors were liberals vs 15% who were conservative. But people 25-34 tend to be Liberal as well, meaning those coming out of college these days are going to tilt more to the left.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html

You pick a modern-day issue (other than the 4Gs) like healthcare reform, taxes, or foreign policy and the ignorence shown can be just breathtaking. Even here at milforum its shocking how ignorant conservatives are on just the basic facts. Asked what does the bill include: Answer: Socialism or Death Panals are the most common responses. Sorry thats the response of a illiterate 7th grader. Only a few would mention Insurence industry reform, or be specific and say remove of anti-trust exemption, the dropping of patients with prior conditions, or that it extends coverage to 30 Million new people, or the ability to buy insurence out of state. Be honest, how many conservatives would mention any of the following as a response. Very few.

Or "the Tea Party". How many of them really know anything about taxes or how the government spends it money? Most actually believe that you can cut taxes without reducing fundimental services. I mean this is out of fantasyland. Did they actually watch what happened when Jim Bunning filibustered the extension of unemployment benefits? The checks stopped flowing. Its that simple. As if they think can get something in society without actually paying for it.

I dont mean that as an insult, but its a personal observation. People who know something about a subject can tell when the person they are addressing doesnt have a clue of what they are talking about.

A common example that drives me crazy is that some conservatives insist repeatively stated that terrorism is the greatest menace this country has faced. Oh Really??? Greater than the Nazis? Greater than the Soviet Union? Greater than the Redcoats or the Confederates? Not even by a longshot. There is more to be worried about an an outbreak of malaria.

And look at who conservatives prefer as Politicans. George W Bush, Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin to name a few. I challenge anyone to defend any of these people as "deep thinkers". Sarah Palin couldnt even think hard enough to lie about what books she read. George Bush when he was running for President couldnt name the president of Pakistan one of our biggest ally in SE Asia.

Mind you, most conservatives wont even deny that the people they admire are not the sharpest tools out there. Conservatives simply put a greater emphesis on their views of character and morality than actual intelligence.
Thats their choice, but by doing so the label of being "stupid" goes with it.

There are smart conservatives. (I like journalist David Brooks, William Kristol is another). I while I despise Dick Cheney hes didnt become VP by being an idiot.

But the intelligence of base itself (not individuals) is regressing to a point where this highly ideological ractionary group of people can only talk about the four "Gs" Gays, Guns, God, Government (how much they hate it) with any degree of comfort.

Conservatives have been waging a war on Intellectualism (what they call Elitists) for a few years now, as if being smart was a bad thing. You even have politicans like Bush and Palin happily admitting that they dont read. It is impossible to say one is intelligent yet actively refuse to expand your mind. Ignorence doesnt lead to intelligence. They are polar opposites.

But the worst is Science. How can you claim to be intellectual and deny global warming and other enviromental issues, refute evolution, and refer all of lifes deeper questions to spiritualiality and mysticism? Its like believing babies are delivered by the Stork. Look at James Inhofe R-OK, if the European stereotype that all Americans are stupid was true, James Inhofe would be its posterboy.

I take no pleasure in saying this, I think its very dangerous for a nation to be so anti-intellectual and its why the Asians and Europeans are beginning to surpass us in many things...and are laughing at us while doing it.
 
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A few things...

Pakistan is in South Asia, not Southeast Asia.
As an intellectual, you can challenge claims of Global Warming.
Also, People who are in their young adulthood, which is culturaly relative, tend to be more liberal by nature and that is not a new trend. However, as people get older, the same group tend to become more and more conservative. Hence the saying "If you're young and you're a conservative, you don't have a heart, if you're old and you're liberal, you don't have a brain." Not that I agree with that sentence.

However, the rest I think you do make great points.
From my observation, it seems as though many conservatives tend to have their own shell of reality based on their values and experiences and do not want to venture out of this shell of their own reality. This means when they come into contact with another culture (hence, another reality), they are quick to judge, but more crucially slow or unwilling to learn. And this unwillingness to learn is what keeps many conservatives back intellectually.
Many liberals on the other hand, even if they are not the sharpest knife in the shelf, tend to want to go out and explore (without blowing things up). It's also what explains why the makeup of volunteers in groups such as the Peace Corps tend to be very liberal. They go off to the strangest corners of the world and learn their language and ways. Conservatives tend to build a small version of their home town where they go.

Also very crucially, conservative leaders such as George W Bush and Sarah Palin don't find their ignorance embarrassing at all, and in fact, think of it as some kind of badge of honor. Folks who look to them for leadership will not be encouraged to correct their faults in this regard, but embrace it and that is ridiculous.
 
First of all, I am going to say that this Study (and what I am about to say later) refers to American Conservatives, not groups like the Tories or the Canadian Conservative Party or other conservatives groupes in other countries.

That being said: I am going to have to say that the study is probably accurate, at least as far as the US goes. The reason I say this is because in general liberals are better educated than conservatives. That is not to say that smart, well educated, conservatives dont exsist or there is no such thing as a stupid liberal. But on the whole, liberals are simply better educated. Education is a key measure of intelligence.

If you look at university, most college professors are liberals. This study stated that 72% of college professors were liberals vs 15% who were conservative. But people 25-34 tend to be Liberal as well, meaning those coming out of college these days are going to tilt more to the left.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A8427-2005Mar28.html

You pick a modern-day issue (other than the 4Gs) like healthcare reform, taxes, or foreign policy and the ignorence shown can be just breathtaking. Even here at milforum its shocking how ignorant conservatives are on just the basic facts. Asked what does the bill include: Answer: Socialism or Death Panals are the most common responses. Sorry thats the response of a illiterate 7th grader. Only a few would mention Insurence industry reform, or be specific and say remove of anti-trust exemption, the dropping of patients with prior conditions, or that it extends coverage to 30 Million new people, or the ability to buy insurence out of state. Be honest, how many conservatives would mention any of the following as a response. Very few.

Or "the Tea Party". How many of them really know anything about taxes or how the government spends it money? Most actually believe that you can cut taxes without reducing fundimental services. I mean this is out of fantasyland. Did they actually watch what happened when Jim Bunning filibustered the extension of unemployment benefits? The checks stopped flowing. Its that simple. As if they think can get something in society without actually paying for it.

I dont mean that as an insult, but its a personal observation. People who know something about a subject can tell when the person they are addressing doesnt have a clue of what they are talking about.

A common example that drives me crazy is that some conservatives insist repeatively stated that terrorism is the greatest menace this country has faced. Oh Really??? Greater than the Nazis? Greater than the Soviet Union? Greater than the Redcoats or the Confederates? Not even by a longshot. There is more to be worried about an an outbreak of malaria.

And look at who conservatives prefer as Politicans. George W Bush, Dan Quayle, Sarah Palin to name a few. I challenge anyone to defend any of these people as "deep thinkers". Sarah Palin couldnt even think hard enough to lie about what books she read. George Bush when he was running for President couldnt name the president of Pakistan one of our biggest ally in SE Asia.

Mind you, most conservatives wont even deny that the people they admire are not the sharpest tools out there. Conservatives simply put a greater emphesis on their views of character and morality than actual intelligence.
Thats their choice, but by doing so the label of being "stupid" goes with it.

There are smart conservatives. (I like journalist David Brooks, William Kristol is another). I while I despise Dick Cheney hes didnt become VP by being an idiot.

But the intelligence of base itself (not individuals) is regressing to a point where this highly ideological ractionary group of people can only talk about the four "Gs" Gays, Guns, God, Government (how much they hate it) with any degree of comfort.

Conservatives have been waging a war on Intellectualism (what they call Elitists) for a few years now, as if being smart was a bad thing. You even have politicans like Bush and Palin happily admitting that they dont read. It is impossible to say one is intelligent yet actively refuse to expand your mind. Ignorence doesnt lead to intelligence. They are polar opposites.

But the worst is Science. How can you claim to be intellectual and deny global warming and other enviromental issues, refute evolution, and refer all of lifes deeper questions to spiritualiality and mysticism? Its like believing babies are delivered by the Stork. Look at James Inhofe R-OK, if the European stereotype that all Americans are stupid was true, James Inhofe would be its posterboy.

I take no pleasure in saying this, I think its very dangerous for a nation to be so anti-intellectual and its why the Asians and Europeans are beginning to surpass us in many things...and are laughing at us while doing it.
You are entertaining! Dan Quayle??? he's a footnote in the history books. G.W. Bush? The Prez who doubled the debt in 8 years, whom we thought was spending like a Democrat, @ least untill Real Democrats took over & showed how they really spend money doubleing the debt in a year. Global Warming CAUSED BY MAN is a hoax/fraud. Liberal policy is a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism. When appropriations run out the checks stop, no sheet Sherlock! I'm sure far more people who have become govt. dependant because of Liberal policies believe they should get things w/o paying for it than Conservatives do, by a huge margin. Yes, shools & Colleges are infested with Liberals & many young people are Libs. Suprising more aren't considering thier teachers.
 
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You are entertaining! Dan Quayle??? he's a footnote in the history books. G.W. Bush? The Prez who doubled the debt in 8 years, whom we thought was spending like a Democrat, @ least untill Real Democrats took over & showed how they really spend money doubleing the debt in a year.
Not this sh1t again. President Obama faced a choice. Either let the American economy get destroyed or approve a bailout to prevent it. Seriously WTF.
Global Warming CAUSED BY MAN is a hoax/fraud.
Although I don't believe in it, we cannot prove that it is in fact a fraud.
Liberal policy is a bigger threat than Islamic terrorism.
Well they just saved America's butt (and very possibly the world's for that matter) by bailing out institutions that became big and reckless that ultimately faced implosion.
When appropriations run out the checks stop, no sheet Sherlock! I'm sure far more people who have become govt. dependant because of Liberal policies believe they should get things w/o paying for it than Conservatives do, by a huge margin.
The only part I agree with. Some of these government payouts have to stop. But on the other hand, illegalizing selling food on the street, cleaning cars at traffic intersections and other such laws mean it's hard for uneducated folks to make a living when times are tough.
Yes, shools & Colleges are infested with Liberals & many young people are Libs. Suprising more aren't considering thier teachers.
 
George

That Footnote was Vice-President of the United States, so yes I am mentioning him.

If Bush or another conservative were still president, do you really think they wouldn't have done the bailout? Think George, for the past few decades who do the GOP traditional represent? Answer: Banks, Corporations, Big Business, Wall Street. This again shows the conservative level of ignorance, the silly assumption they would have done something differently if they were charge. You can bet your ass they would done EXACTLY the same, maybe even a larger bailout. As Redneck stated Obama acted because he had no choice, if you want to be angry at someone try focusuing you anger on the people who caused the mess to begin with.

This illustrates another example of conservative ignorance. The ability never to admit a mistakeand to assign your mistakes to others like you are doing to Obama now.

And saying Liberalism is a bigger threat than terrorism is a stupid and ignorant comment and only proves the study correct, that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals.

I lost my job last year George because of the economic downturn, I am a voter, why don't you run the government-dependent line on me again? There is 9.2% Nationwide Unemployment, because of this mess YOUR people caused. Grow a heart...

Would you prefer that they are all those dependents are thrown out on the street? Why dont you try running for office on that platform, -all the lazy deadbeats that lost their jobs because of our greedy friends in Wall Street (who got bailed out) dont deserve a dime. You'll be as popular a politican as stomach flu, I promise you that.
 
George

That Footnote was Vice-President of the United States, so yes I am mentioning him.

If Bush or another conservative were still president, do you really think they wouldn't have done the bailout? Think George, for the past few decades who do the GOP traditional represent? Answer: Banks, Corporations, Big Business, Wall Street. This again shows the conservative level of ignorance, the silly assumption they would have done something differently if they were charge. You can bet your ass they would done EXACTLY the same, maybe even a larger bailout. As Redneck stated Obama acted because he had no choice, if you want to be angry at someone try focusuing you anger on the people who caused the mess to begin with.

This illustrates another example of conservative ignorance. The ability never to admit a mistakeand to assign your mistakes to others like you are doing to Obama now.

And saying Liberalism is a bigger threat than terrorism is a stupid and ignorant comment and only proves the study correct, that conservatives are less intelligent than liberals.

I lost my job last year George because of the economic downturn, I am a voter, why don't you run the government-dependent line on me again? There is 9.2% Nationwide Unemployment, because of this mess YOUR people caused. Grow a heart...

Would you prefer that they are all those dependents are thrown out on the street? Why dont you try running for office on that platform, -all the lazy deadbeats that lost their jobs because of our greedy friends in Wall Street (who got bailed out) dont deserve a dime. You'll be as popular a politican as stomach flu, I promise you that.
Had a woman yesterday tell me her husband was offered a job, but the pay wouldn't have been much more than what he was collecting in unemplyment for doing nothing. Saw an article a while back(can't find it) that shows most big bank bailouts have been done by Democrats, despite the view that Republicans were more likely to do that. Like when, who was it Carter or Clinton, gave money to Mexico so they could repay loans from American Banks. You seemed to be assigning significance today to Quayle, when most VPs main job through history is to water plants in the White House, muchless being a person Conservative even think about now. In the 1800s the Office of VP was vacant 25% of the time. Cheney is 1st VP, maybe in our history, who had influence.
 
Here's a question for you George... Instead of ONLY blaming the Democrats, why not try and actually come up with a viable solution to the problem? You're so keen to point the finger at everyone but yourself. Notice how the above post almost completely ignored the original topic (which mmarsh posted about... In abundance.) and IMMEDIATELY turned to the blame game.
 
Here's a question for you George... Instead of ONLY blaming the Democrats, why not try and actually come up with a viable solution to the problem? You're so keen to point the finger at everyone but yourself. Notice how the above post almost completely ignored the original topic (which mmarsh posted about... In abundance.) and IMMEDIATELY turned to the blame game.
Banking problem?
 
Here's a question for you George... Instead of ONLY blaming the Democrats, why not try and actually come up with a viable solution to the problem? You're so keen to point the finger at everyone but yourself. Notice how the above post almost completely ignored the original topic (which mmarsh posted about... In abundance.) and IMMEDIATELY turned to the blame game.

Here ya go, there are no solutions until the power of political parties is broken and politicians go back to doing what is right for their electorate rather than adhering to a party line set by the wealthiest contributors.

This is not only an American problem it is one affecting "Democracies" worldwide.
 
Henderson rests his case :lol:

What he said. LOLZ

13, if I was going to assign a particular problem to this thread, it would be the problem of WHY conservatives have lower IQs according to this study. It's all attributed to their basic thought processes, which include no empathy toward strangers, extreme reluctance to change, etc.


MontyB, I couldn't agree more with your post.
 
What he said. LOLZ

13, if I was going to assign a particular problem to this thread, it would be the problem of WHY conservatives have lower IQs according to this study. It's all attributed to their basic thought processes, which include no empathy toward strangers, extreme reluctance to change, etc.


MontyB, I couldn't agree more with your post.
Or it's just arrogant Liberals congratulating themselves on self assumed superior intelligence. The higher the influence of superior Liberal thought, the greater the Country has slid. LB "We'll make it OK to take the Dole" Johnson was way to effective in getting that done, been all down hill afterwards. ect, ect.
 
Or it's just arrogant Liberals congratulating themselves on self assumed superior intelligence. The higher the influence of superior Liberal thought, the greater the Country has slid. LB "We'll make it OK to take the Dole" Johnson was way to effective in getting that done, been all down hill afterwards. ect, ect.
I'm sorry, but how can a scientific study be "self-assumed"?
 
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