New screw up of Spanish Socialists

Corocotta

Corocotta

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The last error of Zapatero is the sale of 12 planes C-295, 4 corvettes, 4 guardcoast boats to the Goverment of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, for a total prize of 1.300 million euros. I hope that my Goverment will choose more carefully their political friends in the future, they are also having diplomatic relations with Cuba :roll: ....This sales could make a armementistic run in the zone, specially with Colombia.
 
I know, Spain has completely lost its international credibility, is hard for me to say this, but zapatero is just...., his smile is so fake... :cen:
Aznar had somethings that i did not like, but compared to these ass**les....
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Well it's a painful lesson. Never make important decisions while you're upset.
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This guys are not upset, their problem is that they cannot see what is the best for Spain. i just do not understand...
 
the_13th_redneck said:
I meant the voters. Never make an important decision (who you vote for) while you're upset (about the bombing).
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Absolutly right. Many people relationated the bombing with the presence of spanish troops in Irak, but the thing is that the attack was prepared a long time before.

I do not know if you are following the police investigation concerning the 11-M attack, but there are many things to clarify yet:

- Some of the terrorist were very relationeted with Morocco secret services.

- The TNT used was stolen from a mine in northern Spain. The ones that stole it were Spanish(confidents of the Civil Guard) and they sold it to the terrorist.

- Some people relationeted with the terrorist were members of the PSOE.

- People in jail relationeted with the terrorist had many visits of a member of the CNI(spanish secret service), also member of the PSOE



This smells really bad......
 
Really the arms sale should come as no surprise. A socialist goverment selling to a psuedo-socialist goverment. Spain's reputation will come under scrutiny depending on what Hugito does with the arms.And Colonel Chavez is likely to do anything.

As far as Cuba-Spain relations. If Latin America sees a resurgence in groups like Sendero Luminoso, MRTA, Tupac Amaru , FARC begins an extended strong series of attacks in Columbia, if the Zapatistas stage strong offensives in Chiapas and it is found that Fidel financed these Socialist movements , as he is apt to do. Then more Scrutiny will fall on Spain.
 
You are right, Zapatero Goverment is everything except responsible. I can imagine what would happen if Chavez start a conflict with Colombia.... Then the Spanish Goverment will be in a really bad possition.

A socialist goverment selling to a psuedo-socialist goverment
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Well, the Psoe are the pseudo-socialist, right now in europe there are not big differences(there are, but they are small)betewen right and left. The real Socialist is huguito. ;)
 
Chavez is a socialist in name only and for right now only. He will steadily lean toward the Castro type Communism as he increases his power base. Hugito talks a good game when it comes to stirring up dissention among the working class, usually when his popularity dips. But his promises generally end up as a few window dressing "land reforms" .

He will steadily take control of all business interests in Venezuela ala Castro and eliminate the opposition ala Fidel y Che. I have no doubt that given the chance Hugito will export Marxist Doctrine along with Aid to FARC, and MRTA and any Marxist Movement in Latin America. With the tacit approval and covert assistance of his Hero Fidel. Castro still has knowledgeable and expieranced advisors available to him and Venezuela could become a conduit.
 
I heard that Chavez has territorial ambitions in Colombia....I do not know if there are territories of Colombia wich were from Venezuela in the recent past...May be thats why...

Have any of you heard about this rumor?: European islamist are trying to introduce islamism in central and south america in order to make more radical to the natives....
 
There are always disputed borders in Latin America. Occasionally Columbia and Panama have their disputes, Venezuela and Columbia and Peru and Ecuador have theirs. It depends on whose Maps or claims you choose to believe.

I've heard that there are attempts to import Islam. But I feel that they will fall far short of what any radical hopes for. Latin America as you know is heavily Roman Catholic not only as a religion but as part of the culture. Protestant Religions have made some small inroads but as a Peruano friends wife told me.... " Yes I go to a Bapitist Church...But I will always be Catholic." I don't think a religion such as Islam will appeal to the people who are targeted by Radical Groups in Latin America, the pobres.
 
Whatever, it's a bad day for the reputation of Europe in general if one of their big members start doing things like this. Almost like "an enemy of America is my friend" attitude from this new government.
I could tell from the beginning when this guy was running... sometimes you can just tell by looking at someone. I know people say looks aren't always everything but often, looks tell you a lot about someone.
The idiots here in Korea who go to jail for corruption etc, just take one look at them. They even LOOK like criminals!
 
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completely right 13th..... :lol: Just look at him...... :cen:
 
Excuse me but I believe that Chavez took democratically the power. The opposition tried to overturn him and a referendum took place : Chavez won, so let's him quiet.
Moreover, with the support of the US in Colombia, I doubt Venezuela will attack them....(with what would they attack : some CN-295 ?...)
But why is he disturbing you ? Because he decided to nationalize the oil companies, because he is trying to improve the social level of its population, because the US has told us it is a bad regime ?

And attacking Zapaterro by his physical appearance... it's a bit short for an argumentation, even if I don't agree with him concerning the project of the EU constitution, but it is an other topic...
 
Pierrot said:
Excuse me but I believe that Chavez took democratically the power. The opposition tried to overturn him and a referendum took place : Chavez won, so let's him quiet.
Moreover, with the support of the US in Colombia, I doubt Venezuela will attack them....(with what would they attack : some CN-295 ?...)
But why is he disturbing you ? Because he decided to nationalize the oil companies, because he is trying to improve the social level of its population, because the US has told us it is a bad regime ?

And attacking Zapaterro by his physical appearance... it's a bit short for an argumentation, even if I don't agree with him concerning the project of the EU constitution, but it is an other topic...
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I suggest that you listen or read some of Hugito's rhetoric concerning his nieghboring countries. As far as the US saying he's bad, his nieghbors aren't too happy with him ethier notably Columbia, The Columbian goverment tends to get upset when other Nations harbor FARC Commanders and deny they have them. His anti American rhetoric doesn't bother me it makes him suspect, just like other anti American rhetoric slinging countries (who shall remain nameless) are suspect in my eyes.

He distrubs me because he is following Castros play book and would like nothing better than to be the "Castro of South America". He's Marxist and given the opportunity he will help expand any Marxist Group in South America. He's already suspected of aiding FARC.
 
Pierre, I'm saying Zapaterro even looks like a man up to no good and pointed it out after we've pretty much concluded that he doesn't know what he's doing. If he was a decent guy and I said that, then yes that's a bit unfair but that is not the case.
 
Excuse me but I believe that Chavez took democratically the power
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Well, we do not have to point here how many dictatorships began with a democratic elections.

My critics to Zapatero were due to his politic friends such us Castro and Hugo Chavez. I did not agree with some of the exterior policy of Aznar, but I prefer his politic allies better than Zapatero´s. I rather be in US side better that in the side of the latin american marxist.
 
staurofilakes said:
Excuse me but I believe that Chavez took democratically the power
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Well, we do not have to point here how many dictatorships began with a democratic elections.

My critics to Zapatero were due to his politic friends such us Castro and Hugo Chavez. I did not agree with some of the exterior policy of Aznar, but I prefer his politic allies better than Zapatero´s. I rather be in US side better that in the side of the latin american marxist.
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Yeah, the miracle of democracies is not the elections of leaders, but rather in the peaceful transition of power between them.
 
Yeah, the miracle of democracies is not the elections of leaders, but rather in the peaceful transition of power between them.
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Yes, I completely agree with you. Politics should´t be in the power more than certain years. In Spain for example before Aznar´s goverment we had a socialist one, they stayed 13 years in power and the corruption was generalizated. They stole millions and millions of euros.
 
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