They say the problem is in the stealth... I wonder if the F-15SE will have the same problems.

I wouldn´t call Iran an arab country really..

I was thinking Syria in that post, but yeah Iran is getting them too.

They say the problem is in the stealth... I wonder if the F-15SE will have the same problems.

I doubt it, I think the problems are the same as the ones they had with
the B-2 Spirit. Rock45 correct me if im wrong.

nice choice for old eagle users.

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nice choice for old eagle users.

I agree and in the rare air to air combat it puts the fangs back on the Eagle in theory if should get back first shot capabilities.

I doubt it, I think the problems are the same as the ones they had with
the B-2 Spirit. Rock45 correct me if I'm wrong.

I think the problems will be worked out as more resources are thrown at it and over time. So much is not released it's difficult to get a handle on it. In war time most of the F-22s would be more then ready. Think about some crappy Iranian thrown together Mig-29A radar isn't going to see a F-22 (15) miles away even if a stealth covering had a little nick on it.

Good radar's see fighter size targets on good days 90 to 160 miles away, and that's semi modern fighters with big radar's not mid or small size fighters. 75% of all the worlds fighters would never see this nick and only know there in deep sh_t when their radar warning goes off, and then its reach for the handle time.

In this other forum real F-16 pilots say it's just brutal the way they get beat nobody even wants play with them anymore. It better to use up your training hours against other squadrons period.

If the USN Navy can put up and work through dealing with early F-14s and the USAF say F-111's, again early models, the current Air Force will work through this. If there were air to air in either war there would be 60 F-22's over there and all with 98% up times. This is just peace time rules and will be worked out. Just my two cents

"Good radar's see fighter size targets on good days 90 to 160 miles away"

Well depends on what type of radar and the Radar cross section of a plane is. Example. You take russias most powerful in-service radar from the su-35bm the Irbis-E (passive phased array radar). It would detect a 3 m2 object (3x3 meter obect) at about 150miles away at best conditions. Do you know the radar cross section of the f-22 is? It is classified, but many can accurately speculate it to be around .002 m2. So using that size the f-22 would be roughly 40 miles aways from the Sukoi should he even have a chance to detect the f-22. This doesn not include anny active radar cancelation being used by the f-22, so even if the sukoi could detect the f-22, it's doubtful it could lock on to the Raptor.

Now. Look at the f-22's radar. the AN/APG-77Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. It is capable of detecing a .5 m2 object about 140 miles away. The su-35bm's RCS is much larger than that!

The f-22 would just watch and wait at a very long distance away waiting for the perfect first shot first kill, while the sukoi has no clue whats about to happen.


'In this other forum real F-16 pilots say it's just brutal the way they get beat nobody even wants play with them anymore. It better to use up your training hours against other squadrons period."


What planes are the f-16's being pitted against? F-15? F-22? Migs" or Flankers? The f-16 is still a very capable dog fighter. it can handle its own against mig-29's and mig-21's Gripens, rafale, and come out on top most of the time... Against newer planes, such as the su-35bm Eurofighter, f-15, f-22, f-35 it would be very difficult. Now take the F-22. It has pulled off some unheard of kill ratios against other f-15/16/18's in mock dogfight excersies. Kill ratios of 108:1 meaning only 1 f-22 was lost against 108 of those others I mentioned. The f-22 is that good.

How does the f-22 compare to other planes? Well theorized estimates vary but are pretty accurate to the following

Against the su-35BM: 10:1 on favor of the raptor
Against the Eurofighter: 5:1 Raptor
Against the gripen: dont even ask.. dozens....
Against the Rafale, about 15:1 Raptor


The f-22 Raptor is THAT good! Once the f-35 comes operational, the USAF will be 15-20 years ahead of any other country. including Russia in air dominance....

I think he's talking about F-16 vs F-22.
Bet it's like P-51 vs F-4 Phantom.

I think he's talking about F-16 vs F-22.
Bet it's like P-51 vs F-4 Phantom.

I doubt it. More like F-4 vs F-15....Or actually, Mirage III Vs F-15.

Just look at the ratios though. A Mirage III would have a better chance against an F-15 than an F-16 would against an F-22.

"theorized" estimates are not real world figures. When the f-22 goes head to head with actuall fighters ina real world we can talk again.

We're talking about Red Flag type air-to-air exercises. It's about as close as you can get without actually shooting each other down.
In exercises over here, F-4s do succeed against F-16s often enough considering their age gap. I can't imagine that they'd be knocked out as much against F-15s as badly as the F-22s have knocked out the Vipers.