National Guard on border to be armed!




 
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May 30th, 2006  
5.56X45mm
 
 

Topic: National Guard on border to be armed!


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Guard will be armed on border

Express-News
Web Posted: 05/26/2006 12:00 AM CDT
Sig Christenson and Hernan Rozemberg
Express-News Staff Writer

The National Guard's chief said Thursday that some of his troops will work close to the Mexican border and will be armed — with rules of engagement allowing them to fire their weapons.
"Any soldier assigned to a mission where he would be placed in harm or danger, where his life would be threatened potentially, will in fact be armed and will have the inherent right of self-protection," Lt. Gen. H. Steven Blum said.
The rules will be part of a larger memorandum of understanding that will guide the assignment of Guard members to the border. The agreement could be wrapped up today and sent to the border governors for their signatures.
Federal funding and troops could begin moving to states on the Mexican border next week once the Guard and Defense Department approve the document.
Blum added that the rules of engagement "will be the same in Arizona, California, New Mexico and Texas."
The comments, in a lengthy interview with the San Antonio Express-News, came as rules for the use of force were being ironed out at a meeting in Phoenix among representatives from four border-state governors and the National Guard.
The Texas National Guard's commander, Army Maj. Gen. Charles G. Rodriguez, said the talks on rules of engagement centered on "harmonization" between the states' different laws on self-defense.
Blum said he doesn't believe the Mexican government will react negatively to the presence of small bands of armed Guard members. Mexicans, he said, see the Guard "in a far more positive light than they would active-duty troops."
That, Blum said, is in part because of relationships established over decades with the Guard — which has helped support counter-narcotics missions — and the temporary nature of the arrangement.
The Guard is to stay on the border for two years as the Border Patrol and U.S. Customs boost their ranks.
All the troops along the Texas border initially will come from the Lone Star State, and be volunteers, said Col. Bill Meehan, spokesman for the Camp Mabry-based guard.
Rodriguez said several hundred soldiers could staff each of Texas' five border sectors, but predicted only a trickle of troops would go south in the early weeks of operations. They would be planners and liaison officers working with their Border Patrol counterparts in each sector, Rodriguez said.
Troops at vehicle inspection stops and engineers working along the border also could be armed. Weapons would vary, with soldiers carrying the M-16, variations of the rifle, 9-mm handguns and even shotguns.
"But we're not going to be carrying machine guns. We're not going to be carrying heavy weapons. We're not at war here," Blum said, explaining he wants troops "to be in a position to protect themselves."
News that the Guard would have surveillance assignments in close proximity to Mexico came as a surprise to the Border Patrol, the agency tasked with halting illegal border crossings.
Agency spokesman Todd Fraser said troops would work in support roles ranging from repairing and maintaining Border Patrol jeeps and manning surveillance cameras from remote locations to giving agents advanced firearms training.
Some troop assignments are being tweaked, he said, and soldiers' precise jobs and locations remain to be hashed out between top Border Patrol administrators and their Guard counterparts. But, Fraser said, "As far as I know, a National Guard unit deployed along the border, right on the line, that's not a scenario I had heard about."
Troops assigned to entry identification teams, as well as engineers, will be armed and won't have to wait for someone to shoot at them first — an engagement rule he termed "silly."
"If he has to fire, he has a right to fire," Blum said. "There are judgment calls that have to be made by mature, disciplined soldiers, and I'm confident that these soldiers have the discipline, the training, and the experience and judgment to make the proper call or we wouldn't be employing them in this mission."

About damn time, I'm glad that these soldiers will be able to protect themselves and the nation.
May 30th, 2006  
Rob Henderson
 
 
Yea, I was wondering how the Guard was going to effectively patrol with no weapons.....
May 30th, 2006  
Pop-a-squat
 
 
Hear hear!
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May 30th, 2006  
tomtom22
 
 
Common sense.
May 30th, 2006  
Chief Bones
 
 
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Originally Posted by tomtom22
Common sense.
Now just a cottin pickin minute ... "common sense" and the military .......... mutually exclusive terms ............
May 30th, 2006  
tomtom22
 
 

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Originally Posted by Chief Bones
Now just a cottin pickin minute ... "common sense" and the military .......... mutually exclusive terms ............
You jest, of course....Now had you said politicians, I would agree.
May 30th, 2006  
Ted
 
 
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Originally Posted by 5.56X45mm
About damn time, I'm glad that these soldiers will be able to protect themselves and the nation.
I, off course, think that any man has a right ot self-perseverance or self defence. I do, however, doubt that many Mexicans would attack armed or unarmed groups of soldiers. The cover they need to get in to the country would be somewhat blown. And I hope that it isn´t the general view that, to protect the US, some NG think they need to shoot the Mexicans!
May 30th, 2006  
PJ24
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ted
I, off course, think that any man has a right ot self-perseverance or self defence. I do, however, doubt that many Mexicans would attack armed or unarmed groups of soldiers. The cover they need to get in to the country would be somewhat blown. And I hope that it isn´t the general view that, to protect the US, some NG think they need to shoot the Mexicans!
I think you do not understand what it is like down on our southern border at all.

They do it all of the time against armed border patrol agents. There is no "cover" when you're jumping the proverbial and literal border fence, it's an all out mad dash and survival of the fittest. Not to mention the drug runners and Mexican military constantly coming back and forth across the border.
May 30th, 2006  
moving0target
 
 
And here I thought it was standard operating procedure for US troops to be issued weapons without ammo...at least anywhere in the States.

Good to know they're really arming them.
May 30th, 2006  
PJ24
 
 
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Originally Posted by moving0target
And here I thought it was standard operating procedure for US troops to be issued weapons without ammo...at least anywhere in the States.

Good to know they're really arming them.
National Guard isn't limited by the Posse Comitatus Act so that helps.
There is no SOP about being issued weapons without ammo. Just because you don't see it, doesn't mean they don't have ammo, but I do understand what point you were making. Anything more detailed about that shouldn't be discussed on an open forum, though.
 


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