name the war of 1812 - Page 3




 
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March 27th, 2005  
redcoat
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charge_7
I'd suggest "The Second War for Independence" as it was the central issue of having Britain recognize us as a sovereign power that drove it.

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Britain recognized the USA as a sovereign power in the Treaty of Paris after the American War of Independance.

In the British-American War of 1812 ( we Brits really can't call it The War Of 1812, because we were already fighting a far more important war against the French at that time as well ), US maritime rights was a major factor in the US declaring war on Britain, but the USA's sovereignty as a nation was never under any threat from Britain.
March 27th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
Hmm, so I guess "maritime rights" of not being called a subject of the crown and compelled to its service wouldn't be an issue of sovereignty huh?
March 30th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 

Topic: Re: name the war of 1812


Quote:
Originally Posted by behemoth79
inspired by a reply from charge_7, i thought about a fitting name for the war. lets hear some ideas.
"The 'WTF?' War", or just plain "Huh??" for short.

Its one of those lovely little wars that, at the end of the day, both sides more or less would just prefer to pretend the whole thing never happened. The USA thought that Canada wanted to be liberated when it didn't really want to be. That theory was quite thoroughly shattered. They were quite happy with British rule in fact.

We were angry about the impressing of our sailors, this is true. There was some small disagreement about borders and the who was allowed to do what where and when without asking. But nothing useful was accomplished other than proving that the War of 1812 probably ought not to have been fought to begin with and all parties involved seemed quite happy to wash their hands of the whole affair.

Another good name for it: "Whoops .. Um .. Nevermind"
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March 30th, 2005  
behemoth79
 
 

Topic: Re: name the war of 1812


Quote:
Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
Quote:
Originally Posted by behemoth79
inspired by a reply from charge_7, i thought about a fitting name for the war. lets hear some ideas.
"The 'WTF?' War", or just plain "Huh??" for short.

Its one of those lovely little wars that, at the end of the day, both sides more or less would just prefer to pretend the whole thing never happened. The USA thought that Canada wanted to be liberated when it didn't really want to be. That theory was quite thoroughly shattered. They were quite happy with British rule in fact.

We were angry about the impressing of our sailors, this is true. There was some small disagreement about borders and the who was allowed to do what where and when without asking. But nothing useful was accomplished other than proving that the War of 1812 probably ought not to have been fought to begin with and all parties involved seemed quite happy to wash their hands of the whole affair.

Another good name for it: "Whoops .. Um .. Nevermind"
that is very true. the history classes, even the advanced placement ones, tend to spend very little time on the war of 1812. the main thing you learn in it is that the star spangled banner was written. it is a war that america and england would like to say never happened.
July 24th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Much of the talk about this war was over Britain taking sailors from American ships. Yet most of these sailors were of British descent and had previously served in the Royal Navy, and Britain thought it had a right to get this Sailors to serve their country in its hour of need. Many of the British sailors who had left the Royal Navy often sought a berth on an American ship, as the pay and conditions were a lot better, these men could often be told apart from the Americans by there different county accents. The Americans on the other other hand did not like to lose such trained men from their merchant fleet, as it should be remembered in those days no one bothered much about such things as passports. Now if any American that reads this thinks this is a little unfair then just think back to the times of the Vietnam war and ask yourself just how hard did America purse any one of American extraction that was not reporting for their military draft and compare it to the the way Britain was collecting up it's sailors.
July 25th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Not really a comparison there. I really have never heard of US Vessels stopping, boarding, and removing crew from Canadian Flagged Ships in the 1960's.
July 25th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
No but that chased them all around the world, and through the courts of those lands.
July 27th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Pursuing thru the Courts is a far cry from boarding the vessels of a soveriegn nation and impressing the crew members.
July 27th, 2005  
LeEnfield
 
 
Agreed 03USMC.....But life was a bit different in those days and so was communications. Shall we say that we beg to differ on this matter.
August 13th, 2005  
mmarsh
 
 
The War of 1812 was somes refered to as the 2nd American Revolution by in the early 19th century.