Originally Posted by -- Dusty

If the Kiwis wish to ban firearms, who are we to criticize? It's not our place as NZ is not our home.



As for here in the US, we'll fight like crazy MY'ers if they want to ban guns. Not because we love violence, but because having firearms is a part of our rights under the US Constitution.


The difference between NZ & US politics is immense. Two different countries and two different political schemes.


lljadw, I really do think you owe Monty an apology. But that's my opinion.

The thing is we aren't banning firearms of the 1.5 million(ish) firearms in the country 1.497 million of them will still be legally owned after the new laws come into affect.

I really don't understand why someone allegedly of Belgian origin has an issue with us getting rid of a fraction of our firearms especially since it has the support of the vast majority of the people it will affect here.

As for apologies there is no need for one, we are all entitled to an opinion no matter how misinformed they may be.
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Exactly.

I watched the video the killer made. He is one sick POS. Since he did his own video, he admits to his crime, so save time & money & just feed him to the sharks.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I really don't understand why someone allegedly of Belgian origin has an issue with us getting rid of a fraction of our firearms especially since it has the support of the vast majority of the people it will affect here.

loss of freedoms anywhere reduces freedoms. As far as support of the population keep in mind the saying from WWII. When they came for the Jews we didn't care, then they came for... Also from the American Revolution: If we don't hang together we will all hang separately. When something is banned simply because it was used you can set up a domino effect. Back during the 60s terrorists were using black powder to make pipe bombs. The Govt. wanted to ban possession of it & there wasn't a lot od people shooting with it. The NRA could have easily gone along with it, but they opposed and defeated it. As a result Civil War, Rev War & other reenacting, & Cowboy Action shoots with BP rounds is thriving today.

Originally Posted by -- Dusty

I watched the video the killer made. He is one sick POS. Since he did his own video, he admits to his crime, so save time & money & just feed him to the sharks.

Not seen it and don't have any desire to see it.

NZ doesn't have the death penalty but I am sure they could raise a lot of cash for the victims raffling off the chance to put a bullet through him.

Originally Posted by George

loss of freedoms anywhere reduces freedoms. As far as support of the population keep in mind the saying from WWII. When they came for the Jews we didn't care, then they came for... Also from the American Revolution: If we don't hang together we will all hang separately. When something is banned simply because it was used you can set up a domino effect. Back during the 60s terrorists were using black powder to make pipe bombs. The Govt. wanted to ban possession of it & there wasn't a lot od people shooting with it. The NRA could have easily gone along with it, but they opposed and defeated it. As a result Civil War, Rev War & other reenacting, & Cowboy Action shoots with BP rounds is thriving today.

You know the local government takes my rubbish away every Tuesday and I don't give that a second thought either.

My freedom is not contingent on owning an assault rifle, New Zealanders are not afraid of their government and we don't buy firearms for protection or need them for it and to be perfectly blunt we are unlikely to be looking at the US as an example of a functioning system given that we have an incident like this every 30 years while you can't go 30 days without one.

So far I have no issues with what they are planning to do but that may change once the legislation is fleshed out who knows, either way I will stay within the law.

http://concealednation.org/2019/03/s...toBdYRg-CzlBxE

Originally Posted by George

http://concealednation.org/2019/03/s...toBdYRg-CzlBxE

Why is that a surprise, they are tribalistic losers who don't have the balls to go it alone.

The problem they face is that with MSSAs banned guess where the police will go looking for illegal ones not to mention bringing them out in public will get them confiscated and arrested so it is a great way of drawing attention to themselves while not achieving a damn thing on the grounds that there will still be 1.497 million legal firearms most of which are more accurate and better looked after out there anyway.

Besides their weapon of choice is usually a sawn off shotgun or rifle not MSSAs.

Out of interest I received an email from the police this week regarding the law changes.
I have 5 firearms that fall into the banned category if I want to keep them I need to switch them over to my C category license.
I am not sure what to do, realistically I don't need them or use them to selling them back to the government is rather appealing ($45k would buy a nice MG-34) however as I already have them registered it is only a couple of signatures and it is all done.

Originally Posted by MontyB

Out of interest I received an email from the police this week regarding the law changes.
I have 5 firearms that fall into the banned category if I want to keep them I need to switch them over to my C category license.
I am not sure what to do, realistically I don't need them or use them to selling them back to the government is rather appealing ($45k would buy a nice MG-34) however as I already have them registered it is only a couple of signatures and it is all done.

Hmmm, big money vs a bit of paperwork...

Originally Posted by George

Hmmm, big money vs a bit of paperwork...

Yeah I don't have much attachment to any of them except the L1A1 and I have a civilian version of the FN FAL SA 58 which is a really comfortable pig hunting rifle that I would like to keep.
I will probably end up transferring them just to keep those two.