N. Korea and WWIII

Another one that sees what he wants and not what he reads

So you think that having the US rated as no different to any other country on earth is attacking it?

Statement remains that the USA like the rest of the worlds major players does nothing thats not in its own best interests.

How about pointing out where you think that the US has advocated any issue that was NOT geared towards trying to resolve an issue that the UN has NOT /can NOT /will NOT address. I would like to know exactly why it is bad for a country to carry out policies that are in their best interests.
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Who said it was bad?
What I said was that you are no different to anyone else and it was in response to the constant UN bashing by people who I sincerly doubt even know what the role of the UN actually is and to perfectly honest this statement pretty much seems to put you in the above catagory
As far as the UN, the UN has proven again and again and again to be a 'paper tiger' that has no claws or teeth with which to impose their will.
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It is not the role of the UN to "impose its will" nor does it have or was ever intended to have "claws or teeth" and as far as being a "paper tiger" its a mediation/advisory (yes I accept generalisation) body and you are just one country in it.

As for the rest of your post I agree the US does a huge amount of good in the world and to a large degree it unfortunately goes unheralded however so do a lot of other countries.

To top all of this off, there are people from around the world who have unrealistic expectations of exactly what action should be taken to address world issues but have no suggestions to offer ... only condemnation of the US when we attempt to address them.
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I personally think you are over trivialising some issues here the deterioration of the US world standing has not been caused by some trifling event that has been blown out of proportion it has manifested itself from a very serious event that became a multi-country ***** fight.

You appear to be one of these people ... how about giving the rest of the forum members some idea of what your background is (either that ...or) keep your country knocking comments to yourself. As an American I resent it when someone slams the United States but tries to hide what their bias is ... that is exactly what you are doing.
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Are you trying to say the validity of my opinion is determined by my military service?
About the only thing I ever intend to put in my countries flag (if I can ever find it) and perhaps those of my families background other than that its irrelevant.

Oh and incidently I am a New Zealander by birth so fire away.
 
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Chief Bones said:
One of the points was made ... but ... let's put into a better perspective. For every dollar that the rest of the world has given in aid to countries that have been hit by an emergency, the US has given 100 dollars.
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Sorry but thats nonsense. Where do you get those numbers from?

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P.S.: If the UN is so useless, then why not pull out those UN peacekeepers from the Congo or Liberia and see what happens.
 
An impotent Lemur ...

The reason that I said the UN was a paper tiger, is because they pass resolution after resolution (mandates), and then the country the mandates are issued against thumb their noses at the rest of the UN countries and the UN sets there like an impotent Lemur and do absolutely nothing. (Zip ... nada ... zero, etc, etc, etc).

Talk, talk, talk ... and the ONLY thing you have done is to bruise the air with words ... many of these issues require action ... something that the UN is very poor at accomplishing.

And before you say that isn't a function of the UN ... you are partly right and partly wrong. They don't have troops of their own ... but ... member nations DO supply troops that act at the behest of the UN and have the power and prestige of the UN behind them (however much that is worth).
 
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Chief Bones said:
The reason that I said the UN was a paper tiger, is because they pass resolution after resolution (mandates), and then the country the mandates are issued against thumb their noses at the rest of the UN countries and the UN sets there like an impotent Lemur and do absolutely nothing. (Zip ... nada ... zero, etc, etc, etc).

Talk, talk, talk ... and the ONLY thing you have done is to bruise the air with words ... many of these issues require action ... something that the UN is very poor at accomplishing.

And before you say that isn't a function of the UN ... you are partly right and partly wrong. They don't have troops of their own ... but ... member nations DO supply troops that act at the behest of the UN and have the power and prestige of the UN behind them (however much that is worth).
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But thats just the point it isnt a function of the UN because the UN is and was not set up to react quickly you have 192 member nations all with their own agenda and all with their own idea of whats right and wrong and who the bad guy really is.

However the UN has proven that given the right reasons and a strong case and it can react quickly ie Gulf War 1 but if you go marching in demand support with dodgy intelligence and tell every one they are basically worthless ie. Gulf War 2 then chances are you will the short shift because oddly enough the UN representitives are a lot like you and me and are not going to tolerate someone else running down their country either.

In the end I believe the UN could use some tuning but on the whole it works fine when given the roles it was created to handle, todays world is far from the world of post war 1945.
 
The point that I was making is THE WORLD IS DIFFERENT THAN IT WAS IN 1945. The UN has become impotent ... the role as originally implemented is unable to respond in a manner to resolve some of the worst issues the world has ever encountered. Flood, famine, spiralling health crises and wars ... the UN can no longer react in a positive way to even begin to resolve these problems ... On top of that, now we find out that certain UN representative have been involved in activities that could be considered to be criminal in nature.

In order for the UN to again be a force to be reckoned with, more than a slight tweaking is going to be necessary ... a standing army of UN Peacekeepers under the direct control of the governing council will be necessary to respond to some of the world's trouble spots in a timely manner. That doesn't mean that their role is to go to war ... if that were necessary, fellow members would be tasked with providing manpower and equipment, command and control and operational planning under UN mandates.

With the fast paced ever changing world political picture, it is essential that paper isn't the ONLY weapon that can be brought to bear on these issues ... IF the UN doesn't undergo a much needed revamping (and soon), we could be viewing the final days of the UN as a world body.

The original philosophy of the UN was noble in it's aim ... World Peace. BUT ... it's going to take MORE than high sounding words to resolve today's problems. Terrorism is now the number one enemy of world peace and so far the UN has been impotent to resolve this issue.

There is NOT one single country that is NOT affected by terrorism in one way or another.
 
Rabs said:
Less rapeings?

What is ODA?
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Official development assistance.

Afaik the UN mission in Congo has pretty much ended the worst conflict of the last 50 years. I don't know about the rapeings, what are you referring to with that?
 
Dark_Mark said:
Cuba would not take or deploy North Korean missiles. They're hardly allies as it is. Cuba's goal isn't to threaten the USA with nuclear missiles, it's to gain access to the world market (which is essential to any country, socialist or not).

China and Russia don't want to do anything because the missiles aren't aimed at them.
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Do you now where the missile has landed(or better to say, drown)?
In the Russian Economic Zone - just outside of the Russian 12-mile zone

From the ideological, COMMUNIST point of view(you should be able to understand that as a young communist:)) the Russians and the Chinese are the traitors who deserve the first bullet from the true believer as Kim Jon IL
 
I don't think Kim is a true believer. Kim is a nothing but a piece of trash which is even worse than Sadam of Iraq. I have a very strong doubt that Kim even has a communist ideology. Kim is a son of Big dictator, and it doesn't need to take one second to guess that Kim's son will be his successor. Both of stalin's son and Chairman mao's son didn't become their countrie's new leader, so that new leaders in china and Russia had chances to correct some wrong policies made by their predecessors. Kim utilized communist party and military power controlled by communist party to make sure that he and his family can keep living like a emperor, but in contrast,most of people in North Korea have to face extreme starvation. Kim's regime do all kinds of dirty business such as gambling, smuglling drugs and weapons and counterfeits, but instead of helping their starving people, Kim used all of dirty money to satisfy his own greed. the main reason that Kim refuses coming back to the nuclear talk of six countries and tested-launch some missles which is technically immature is because US government cut off one of most important illegal financial supplies of Kim's regime in some Marcau's banks. regardless of all kinds of political slogans Kim used to protest, What Kim really want just to get his money back.
 
By the Koreans? I dont know about seconds there...Dont get me wrong, they could do some damage, but they are inferior to us in terms of technology and training.
 
If North Korea did decide to start a war, they probably could manage to break through the DMZ and mess up South Korea before anyone could stop them (though if this happens I do believe China will invade and annex North Korea).
 
MontyB said:
Jeez you guys really have issues with an organisation that wont rubberstamp everything the US wants.

Heres a question for you:
How much does the USA care about anything that isnt in its own best interests?

Heres a clue its about the same amount as the the rest of the world. aka The "evil" UN.

So please spare us the "UN is the root of all evil" clap trap as the USA is no more a paragon of virtue than any of the other individual nations that make up the UN you are in it for what you can get just like every one else.
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I was just stating that i got all of the references except anti-semitism. I have no problem with the U.N.
 
If North Korea did decide to start a war, they probably could manage to break through the DMZ and mess up South Korea before anyone could stop them (though if this happens I do believe China will invade and annex North Korea).
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I dont think China wants N.Koreas problems. Also the N/S Korean border is one of the most heavily guarded, mointored in the world. US kh-11 passes would pick for the N.Korean divisions forming up long beforehand.
 
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