N Korea declares itself a nuclear power

Life is beautiful.


While North Korea arms itself with nukes and is prepared to throw it at the South, South Koreans continue to cheer on the North Koreans. Many "do not believe" that this nuke is intended for use against other Koreans. Oh REALLY?? Then who? And if it's for Japan, shouldn't we be trying to stop that ANYWAY!?!? I guess it's lonely being the only one in a several mile radius that actually has a brain.
 
north won't dare to throw nukes at anyone unless it is North's last resort..


if north throw nukes carelessly, not only U.S, south korea and japan will kick north's ass, but also China
 
I say nuke em' into the stone age... but people never listen to me, something about fallout in China and S. Korea or some other such unimportant nonsense :)
 
A non-nuclear NK is in China's best interest. I mean think about it, if NK happens to prove it has Nukes. Japan and SK are gonna want to go Nuclear. That upsets China's balance of power in the area, and creates an uber flashpoint for a nuclear war. Maybe now China will start putting ALOT of pressure on NK....hopefully.
 
North Korea needs to remember back in the 50's thier was a plan to use nuclear weapons agianst them. problem is massive loss of civilians. It is now the 21st century and Missiles have got a whole lot better in the past 50 years. So while NK is enjoying the 50's Army. South Korea and Japan on the other hand of the backing of the worlds most advanced military, and thats has to account for something.
 
Oh well, we'll have a missile shield up soon that can stop anything N.Korea could build so we can then turn South Korea into an Island nation.

How would you like that Redneck :)
 
It's like a mad, starved dog, clawing and biteing at those who try to help it. If it keeps acting like this, it'll probably lash out, and be annihilated.

There are only two things I can see that can save North Korea.

1: Disarm nukes

2: China

Though I don't think China needs them really, other than... certain strategic interest. But even those seem kind of dashed now, as one poster said: NK may very well force SK and Japan to arm up.
 
Good for them.

I think now that North Korea is a self-declared nuclear power they can rest a bit easier and hopefully become a bit less paranoid.

I'm almost certain Kim and his circle will not use the nukes unless provoked militarily, I'm also certain that they're aware of the fact that they would be removed from the face of the earth if they were the first to launch a nuke.

Kim was put into a position to preserve communism in north korea, although through a sort ascension from his fathers death, it would make very little difference if it was Kim or a council appointed communist leader.

This is not so much a conflict between a psycho and the reasonable world as it is a conflict between one of the few remaining communist systems and the free globalised capitalist system.

I hope what follows next is the west coming to accept a nuclear north korea, removing debilitating economic sanctions, and finally allowing the north korean people to enjoy the prosperity that we enjoy in the west.

If the whole world needs to go nuclear to find equality, i'm all for it, and if the world is destroyed in the struggle for equality then it's a valid cost.

Just my 2 cents.

Next is Iran's turn I persume.
 
Well if you're looking at North Korea for equality you've got another think coming. They starve their people to death but their army is well fed and that's just the most glaringly obvious inequality. Of course you'll probably blame that on capitalist sanctions.
 
There's no doubt the people are starving to death, even reports of cannibalism have come out of that country I think, and yes sanctions play a role in starving people, look at what it did to Iraq after they invaded Kuwait.

What's the alternative to letting N. Korea progress at its own pace and at Kim's pace? Invasion? Fine, you get yourself another Iraq, likely more famine and insurgency than in Iraq that lasts atleast 5 years, how many die then? And what comes out of it? Will North Korea be insantly prosperous? No, they'll probably be exploited for slave wages and that will be their freedom and liberation. Sure they might be fed, but working for pennies making computer parts for us. Even worse N. Korea doesn't have oil to give...

There's no doubt Kims a bit looney, but he's got a nuke, okay, he's got his toy now, hopefully he'll be content with that for a while and start to feed his people now that he's accomplished that goal. If not, then it's up to the N. Koreans to change their life as bloody as it gets, regime change should occur by the people subjected to its mistreatment not foreign powers. Democratic nations should allow for exiles but shouldn't fund them, they should fund themselves and if they are a popular movement they shouldn't have that big of a problem, especially if they're given asylum in westernized nations.

So long as the South Koreans want America's protection, N. Korea will be harmless.

Economic sanctions do not work. You don't starve Kim, he has palaces bigger than Sadam's. You just starve the people and give Kim more reason to keep N. Korea isolated. Time will tell...
 
Wait wait wait, so Jim, you are saying that it is the people's job for a regime change and not outside powers right?

So by your logic are you saying that it is the Jews' fault for the Holocaust since it was their job to try and make a regime change but since they didn't they deserved to have 8 million of them killed?
 
Jim,
Kim Jong-il isn't a loony. He's evil. But he's smart, rather articulate, quick with his wits and surprises people with his sense of humor.
Truth is right now we don't know what to do.
South Korea is pretty divided right now between what to do with the relations with the US, though most people including myself do believe South Korea's good enough to defend against North Korea on its own, America's help, especially in the form of air power would REALLY help our cause.
It's very complicated.
We've made many threads on North Korea so u can go and read them to learn more about the situation. Or else this post along will be 3 pages long.
 
Whispering Death said:
Wait wait wait, so Jim, you are saying that it is the people's job for a regime change and not outside powers right?

So by your logic are you saying that it is the Jews' fault for the Holocaust since it was their job to try and make a regime change but since they didn't they deserved to have 8 million of them killed?

Did I say it was the Jews' fault for the holocaust? They were murdered by the support of their own countrymen who were led by a man who was allowed to come to power because of economic stagnation and humiliation following world war 1 and the treaty of versailles. The Jews being murdered in Germany was an internal problem until Germany invaded Poland and did the same with other countries. That's when the allies got involved, not before.

No one really shed tears for the Jews, they all talked about how bad it was to happen but very few stuck out their neck for them, infact many nations refused to let them seek asylum after the war, that's why Israel was formed I believe.

If the Jews consisted of a larger population, maybe they could have standed a chance against the Nazis but they were outnumbered and the Nazis were elected to power and hitler as their leader.

But what would you suggest? The allies should have armed the Jews and socialists to overthrow the publicly elected nazi party? Hindsight is a *****.
 
I say the correct course of action was taken, Germany was defeated in war.

But what would you say? So the only problem was invading other countries. Do you think the holocaust is fine and dandy so long as Germany doesn't invade France?
 
No, I don't think any genocide is fine and dandy, but I also don't think its any nations business to invade another nation to try and stop it because when a nation does that, it could get used to the idea of invading countries to "bring freedom" and that is a problem.

There can be political pressure and economic pressure when genocides occur, but I don't believe that violence solves violence honestly. Violence as a means of direct self-defense is understandable though.
 
"There's no doubt the people are starving to death, even reports of cannibalism have come out of that country I think, and yes sanctions play a role in starving people, look at what it did to Iraq after they invaded Kuwait."

And the oil for food program was supposed to hamper the effects on the civilian populous, yet we know what happened to that, don't we?

"What's the alternative to letting N. Korea progress at its own pace and at Kim's pace? Invasion? Fine, you get yourself another Iraq, likely more famine and insurgency than in Iraq that lasts atleast 5 years, how many die then? And what comes out of it? Will North Korea be insantly prosperous? No, they'll probably be exploited for slave wages and that will be their freedom and liberation. Sure they might be fed, but working for pennies making computer parts for us. Even worse N. Korea doesn't have oil to give..."

Nobody mentioned anything about preemptively invading North Korea, that's because most of us already know the outcome. I guess you just presumed us oil stealin' yankee boys would suggest it, but thankfully you've shot down the idea already!

"There's no doubt Kims a bit looney, but he's got a nuke, okay, he's got his toy now, hopefully he'll be content with that for a while and start to feed his people now that he's accomplished that goal."

Yeah hey, maybe deep down in side, Kim is a cuddly bear just acheing to help his people- but hey, you know, he really couldn't help them out, he was too busy arming himself with a nuke to secure the stalinist rule over North Korea for infinity.

This way, if North Korea ever attacked the South again, they wouldn't be invaded should they be pushed back. Not cuddly Kim, though, he'd never try to unite the peninsula under his regime.

Probably wouldn't work, but things that work don't seem to interest NK- why else would they still be useing a failed form of government?

"If not, then it's up to the N. Koreans to change their life as bloody as it gets, regime change should occur by the people subjected to its mistreatment not foreign powers. Democratic nations should allow for exiles but shouldn't fund them, they should fund themselves and if they are a popular movement they shouldn't have that big of a problem, especially if they're given asylum in westernized nations."

This is the most short-sighted idea i've ever heard about the crisis.

Not only do you suggest the North Korean populous should start a rebellion, who are impoverished, nationally brain-washed, and held over an iron grip under a police state (that's putting it lightly)- but you also suggest no state can help to sponser such a rebellion.

Truely unbelievable.

"Economic sanctions do not work. You don't starve Kim, he has palaces bigger than Sadam's. You just starve the people and give Kim more reason to keep N. Korea isolated. Time will tell..."

A prosperous North Korea means a prosperous dictator and military.
 
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