N Korea declares itself a nuclear power - Page 6




 
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Boots
 
February 15th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
do u think it is purely coincedence that north korea declears itself a nuke power when china and japan 's relationship is the worst in 20 years..???
February 15th, 2005  
Peter Pan
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sexybeast
do u think it is purely coincedence that north korea declears itself a nuke power when china and japan 's relationship is the worst in 20 years..???
A very interesting observation.

Is the Sino Japanese equation that bad?

Any links?
February 15th, 2005  
Chocobo_Blitzer
 
I didn't know China and Japan were feelin' iffy about one another, I thought they were happy traders and such.
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Boots
February 16th, 2005  
Darcia
 
Well Japan has been saying China has been sending ships into thier water to build a sub that they would use to Invade them.....thier is that little thingy.


Also North Korea could just be bluffin to make sure the USA does not try anything.
February 16th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
japan has just recently started to deploy troops on DiaoYu island (claimed by china, taiwan and japan), a island near china....

that really pisses china off, i think china not only send nuke subs over japan, but even destroyers go over the boundries....

and japan just passed law allowing taiwanese visit japan without visa

i think it is the worst period of time in sino-japan relationship since 1980s
February 16th, 2005  
WorldWatcher
 
 
Yea China and Japan has been on edge, and China has sent subs and such into Japanese claimed waters.However Japan isnt nearly as concerned with China as they are with NK. The fact is that China wouldn't risk invading Japan anytime soon. Japan is still under the U.S.'s military umbrella,even more so now since Asia seems to be quickly becoming a hotspot, and Japan provides a window into Asia for the U.S.

Anyways China will most likely keep to their word to help stop NK since if they don't they will be indirectly responsible for being their friend, which will offect them politically and economically and China can't take that risk. the fact that NK did this seems to me as kind of a sign of desperation. They need something to hold over other nation's heads as blackmail and power so they can be relatively important.Kim Jong-Il is just on a power trip, not much else to say.

I heard someone on this thread say that economic sanctions hurt the people of NK since he takes the money from them,which starves them, however, I would guess that without he sanctions he would just take THAT much more from the people .

I don't see NK prospering with Kim Jong-Il at the wheel.Any agreement that is reached will only be temporary with him. It would be like taking spoiled milk and putting it back in the fridge and hope it would be better the next day .

Anyways thats just my opinion.
February 16th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
if u think china truly keeps its promise to help U.S to hold north korea, u r too childish....

who is the biggest supporter of North korea, who gives million tons of oil to north korea? who gives weapons to North korea?

china is playing the north korea card just like U.S is playing the taiwan card against china.....it is just another part of internal political game...
February 17th, 2005  
silent driller
 
 

Topic: Re: N Korea declares itself a nuclear power


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Originally Posted by Zyca
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A12836-2005Feb10.html

What is going to be the reaction from around the world? If the US cannot get China to act against NK, would a war against NK be a possible scenario? There's also Iran in the picture... this is getting quite messy.
Mmmm... nookuler power...
February 17th, 2005  
Darcia
 
I think the maion thing the chinese see now is the fact that if a unified Korea is formed through war and it is a democracy than the people of China being so close may try to escape through.
February 17th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Darcia
I think the maion thing the chinese see now is the fact that if a unified Korea is formed through war and it is a democracy than the people of China being so close may try to escape through.
en...ur idea is very immature and u look at things only in a very very low level of thinking, rather than looking at this problem in a level of global politics and strategies....

north korea is an important strategic frontier for china, concerning not just now, but for the later generations of chinese ppl, the threat from japan or U.S have never been reduced, and actually increasing.....
having north korea as an ally or strategic buffer zone is a for china to protect itself and its manchuria area (the most heavily industrialized region in china)...

if u just look at things in china now, (rather than in a scope of past 5000 years of china, and next 5000 years of china), u can just say china is scared of a democratic country bla, bla, back to ur 1950s Red Threat theories or cold war method of thinking, very low level..

i think right now, perhaps u read more news, china and japan are having the worst relationiship perhaps since WW2....a bloody armed clash is possible on the island of Diaoyu (claimed by china and japan) near china's coast...as japan has recently said they will deploy troops there,
also, japan has just listed china as a major threat in its new defence principles...japan also supports taiwan as it just allowed taiwan's independist leader to visit japan

and i think while japan is playing taiwan and Diaoyu cards with china, china is playing North korea card in return, allowing north korea to declare its nuke capability (i seriously doubt that china didn't help north korea on this one, or giving money, giving other resources, as china is the largest support (practical support, giving real things) for north korea).