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It shoots a .17 M2 round that generates about 166 FPE at the muzzle....think .22 LR on steroids... so you tell me hereo...do you think it can kill someone?
 
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It shoots a .17 M2 round that generates about 166 FPE at the muzzle....think .22 LR on steroids... so you tell me hereo...do you think it can kill someone?
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Not quite a .22LR on steriods, Federal HYP's have 155 FPE, the .17M2 has 152FPE, now if chambered in .22mag or .17mag, then you are at 350 FPE for the .22 mag and 270 for the .17mag. Either way, all can kill, it all depends on aim point and time on target.
 
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The hardest shooting .22 LR ammo shoots at about 155 FPE...the average .22 LR shoots about 125 FPE...so a 22 LR shooting at well above the norm is a .22 LR sort of on steroids...the M2 round out of that gun is doing 168 FPE...which is again like a .22 LR on steroids.

Since they .22 LR and .17 M2 share many case dimentions (the toeh point of not haveing to change but a barrel and weight the bolt) it's more like a .22 LR on steroids.
 
SOT_II said:
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The hardest shooting .22 LR ammo shoots at about 155 FPE...the average .22 LR shoots about 125 FPE...so a 22 LR shooting at well above the norm is a .22 LR sort of on steroids...the M2 round out of that gun is doing 168 FPE...which is again like a .22 LR on steroids.

Since they .22 LR and .17 M2 share many case dimentions (the toeh point of not haveing to change but a barrel and weight the bolt) it's more like a .22 LR on steroids.
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Here check for your self:

http://www.federalcartridge.com/default.asp?pg=27&firearm=3

You will get the same data from Orlin, Remington, Wolf, and Others....[/quote]
 
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Again I don't need to look at the tables, because I shoot the guns and own the ammo and do the testing. If you are basing your knowledge on tables that you are picking up from the mfg, you got a LONG way to go...
But if you want to look at tables on the internet, the Hornaday is a good one...reads 166 FPE but again our gun tested with the .17M2 in 17 grain pill tested out at an average of 168 or so...prolly barrel length difference.
Testing out the M2 in the 20 grain pill ran out at 187 FPE...again like a .22 LR on steroids.


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Ohh but wait let's go to the Eley chart...
http://www.gzanders.com/eley/17ball.html

Ohhh but wait again...you said go to the remington page...

http://www.remington.com/whatsnew/press/2005/am_17mach2.htm






http://www.gzanders.com/eley/17ball.html
Lil Hulk 1988 said:
SOT_II said:
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The hardest shooting .22 LR ammo shoots at about 155 FPE...the average .22 LR shoots about 125 FPE...so a 22 LR shooting at well above the norm is a .22 LR sort of on steroids...the M2 round out of that gun is doing 168 FPE...which is again like a .22 LR on steroids.

Since they .22 LR and .17 M2 share many case dimentions (the toeh point of not haveing to change but a barrel and weight the bolt) it's more like a .22 LR on steroids.
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"Remington Premier® 17 MACH2 rimfire ammunition will be offered with an explosive 17 grain AccuTip-V™ bullet and a sizzling muzzle velocity of 2100 fps.:

so 17 grains @ 2100 FPS...what's that ...hmmm 166 FPE....
http://www.remington.com/ammo/rimfire/premier_goldbox.htm#ballistics

Here check for your self:

http://www.federalcartridge.com/default.asp?pg=27&firearm=3

But please do show me on the Wolf ammo page where there is information about their "17 Mach2" ammo...

http://www.wolfammo.com/1_rimfire.htm

or please show me where Olin via Winchester has any data on their Mach2 ammo.


You will get the same data from Orlin, Remington, Wolf, and Others....
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You are comparing a std .22LR, comparing M2 to a std .22LR HV is ignoring the hyper velocity ammo available in the .22LR. Tables on the internet or not, I use loading tables and experimenting all the time in my centerfire weaps, the only option 99.9% of rimfire shooters have are factory loads, which you need to use the average factory data.
 
And again I'm not ignoring the hyper velocity..I am saying that the hyper velocity is exactly a .22 LR on steroids as is the .17 Mach 2...

But lets look for those charts....

Ohh but wait let's go to the Eley chart...
http://www.gzanders.com/eley/17ball.html

Ohhh but wait again...you said go to the remington page...

"Remington Premier® 17 MACH2 rimfire ammunition will be offered with an explosive 17 grain AccuTip-V™ bullet and a sizzling muzzle velocity of 2100 fps.:

so 17 grains @ 2100 FPS...what's that ...hmmm 166 FPE....
http://www.remington.com/ammo/rimfire/premier_goldbox.htm#ballistics

http://www.remington.com/whatsnew/press/2005/am_17mach2.htm

But please do show me on the Wolf ammo page where there is information about their "17 Mach2" ammo...

http://www.wolfammo.com/1_rimfire.htm

or please show me where Olin via Winchester has any data on their Mach2 ammo.


So the answer is the factory charts, are NOT the only resource...real testing is...but again considering that you have 1 "internet" chart, that the other charts that you refer to don't exist or support my data...your ability to test and read charts and actually present real data is highly suspect. The factory charts are presented as a single number that is the average...so I post 3 or 4 that show 166 FPE, and you present one that shows whatever it was...and then refer to MFG's that don't make M2 ammo or even have data....hmmmmm...yes I can see how well you test your ammo for your "weps"..zzzzzzzzzzzzzz





Lil Hulk 1988 said:
You are comparing a std .22LR, comparing M2 to a std .22LR HV is ignoring the hyper velocity ammo available in the .22LR. Tables on the internet or not, I use loading tables and experimenting all the time in my centerfire weaps, the only option 99.9% of rimfire shooters have are factory loads, which you need to use the average factory data.
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