Moderate Muslims Speak Out




 
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Moderate Muslims Speak Out
 
February 6th, 2006  
phoenix80
 
 

Topic: Moderate Muslims Speak Out


Moderate Muslims Speak Out
http://www.sorrynorwaydenmark.com/index.html

In the middle of all the mayhem surrounding the Danish cartoons controversy, a group of Arab and Muslim youth have set up this website to express their honest opinion, as a small attempt to show the world that the images shown of Arab and Muslim anger around the world are not representative of the opinions of all Arabs. We whole-heartedly apologize to the people of Denmark, Norway and all the European Union over the actions of a few, and we completely condemn all forms of vandalism and incitement to violence that the Arab and Muslim world have witnessed. We hope that this sad episode will not tarnish the great friendship that our peoples have fostered over decades.

The problem with media representation of such issues tends to be that the media only picks up the loudest voices, ignoring the rational ones that do not generate as much noise. Voices that seek tolerance, dialogue and understanding are always drowned out by the more sensationalist loud calls, giving viewers the impression that these views are representative of all the Arab publicís view. This website is a modest attempt at redressing this wrong. We would appreciate it if you could forward the word to as many of your friends as possible.

We will note that we find the cartoons to be incendiary, insulting and very abrasive. We also take issue with the general stance of the Danish Newspaper Jyllands-Posten, which has a reputation for publishing inflammatory material. Yet, it would be wrong to take away their freedom of expression, regardless of how horrid their material is. We affirm our belief in freedom of expression and peopleís right to express whatever opinions they hold. However, at the same time there is a need to realize that freedom of expression is a responsibility that should not be used to gratuitously insult peopleís beliefs.

When confronted with such a situation, we deplore the use of violence in all its forms, as well as threats of violence and derogatory and racist remarks being thrown in the opposite direction. We condemn the shameful actions carried out by a few Arabs and Muslims around the world that have tarnished our image, and presented us as intolerant and close-minded bigots.

Anyone offended by the content of a publication has a vast choice of democratic and respectful methods of seeking redress. The most obvious are not buying the publication, writing letters to the editor or expressing their opinions in other venues. It is also possible to use oneís free choice in a democracy to conduct a boycott of the publication, and even a boycott of firms dealing with it. Yet an indiscriminate boycott of all the countryís firms is simply uncalled for and counter-productive. We would be allowing the extremists on both sides to prevail, while punishing the government and the whole population for the actions of an unrepresentative irresponsible few.

We apologize whole-heartedly to the people of Norway and Denmark for any offense this sorry episode may have caused, to any European who has been harassed or intimidated, to the staff of the Danish, Norwegian and Swedish Embassies in Syria whose workplace has been destroyed and for any distress this whole affair may have caused to anyone.

There is a strong tradition of friendship and cooperation between the Norwegian and Danish people and Arab people. Of most note is the continued support that these governments give to the Palestinian people in their struggle for freedom and liberation, and the brave stance that these governments have often taken to defend Palestinian rights. We sincerely hope these special bonds will not be broken. We hope that our Scandinavian friends would not be convinced by the actions of a few to believe that this is how Arabs and Muslims feel about them. There are racists, bigots and criminals in all countries, and it is the duty of the respectful and reasonable to reach out to each other.

Let us hope that instead of emboldening the bigots, this sorry affair will bring all open-minded, tolerant and reasonable people from the Arab, Muslim, Norwegian, Danish and European communities together to unite in a continued struggle of reason against prejudice, open-mindedness against bigotry and humanity against racism.
February 6th, 2006  
gladius
 
Its true there are moderate Muslims, but sadly I truly believe they comprise of only a minority of Muslims. I'm guessing maybe around 20% or so, of Muslims take this view.

The website itself isn't even from official, or even from influencial Muslim sources, but by students(with at least some decent sense of logic). I wish there were more like them, but to be realistic they only hold a minority of influence over most of the Muslim world.
February 6th, 2006  
phoenix80
 
 
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Originally Posted by gladius
Its true there are moderate Muslims, but sadly I truly believe they comprise of only a minority of Muslims. I'm guessing maybe around 20% or so, of Muslims take this view.

The website itself isn't even from official, or even from influencial Muslim sources, but by students(with at least some decent sense of logic). I wish there were more like them, but to be realistic they only hold a minority of influence over most of the Muslim world.
Agreed to some point! The moderate muslims are afraid of the hardliners and extremists and that is why we often dont hear from them.
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Moderate Muslims Speak Out
February 6th, 2006  
mmarsh
 
 
I think there are more moderate muslims than that, but as Phoneix said they are terrorized by the hardliners and so they are muted...
February 6th, 2006  
LeEnfield
 
 
Sooner or later there will counter demonstrations then there could be a whole lot of trouble, as they forget that you can only push so far before there is backlash
February 7th, 2006  
Locke
 
 
the problem seems to be in western society we are used to having our "Gods" and other important figured mocked and ridiculed by the media and we no longer really take issue with it unless it is particularly tasteless.
muslim nations, having a lot tighter control over the press, have not been exposed to this and as such are a lot more touchy.
our media will most likely not change for them, they will have to learn to deal with it. i mean, cmon, trying to initiate jihad over a cartoon, grow up!
February 7th, 2006  
gladius
 
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I think there are more moderate muslims than that, but as Phoneix said they are terrorized by the hardliners and so they are muted...
Perhaps there are.

But in order for people to understand whats going on they must realize where this is coming from. This is totaly unlike Christianity were you cannot simply say "go kill." I've been studying aspects of Islam for a few years now, the problem with the Muslim religion its too easy to go say "kill someone because they insulted the prophet, they deserve to die".

Its easy for an Islamic radical to find verses in the Koran that say go kill the infidel, commit jihad, ect. For a moderate to counter this with another set of verses from the Koran in order to stop it, would be more difficult. Yes the Koran says to treat others with respect, ect, but this mostly only applies to other Muslims, this does not apply to non-Muslims (infidels). So the moderate Muslim is always hard pressed to justify to other Muslims reasons for NOT commiting violence. Most of the time they will simply be outdoctrinated even if what they are saying is right, or want to do the right thing.

This is what most people need to understand when dealing with Islam. The structure of their doctrine itself written in such a way that moderation is not easy to find. Thats why most true moderates face an uphill battle, even if there are more of them, which I don't think there are. However I believe the bulk of most Muslims (about 60%) do not want to commit violence but they are torn between this and what the Koran tells them to do. Or they just silently approve of what is going on.
February 7th, 2006  
phoenix80
 
 
Actually Gladius is sorta right.

Moderation in some sect of Islam is the same as being an infidel.

But yes, moderate muslims are afraid of being vocal
February 7th, 2006  
Chief Bones
 
 

Topic: Claptrap I say.


I know I am going to get a lot of flack for this post - but...........

I'm sorry but trying to make excuses for these newspapers is so much claptrap.

Mind you, the religious extremists from the middle east are not on the top of my most admired list - but - If I were Islamic in my beliefs, I would be absolutely outraged by the insensitivity displayed by the Danish Newspaper Jyllands-Posten publishing this trash.


If I some idiot drew a cartoon showing Christ raping Mary Magdalene and it was published in an American newspaper, Christians would rise up and hang the cartoonist in effigy, run the editor out of town on a rail, boycott the newspaper and burn down the nearest newspaper office.

(OH - SOMEONE WOULD BE SURE TO SUE THEM IN COURT).


Why should we be surprised and outraged because Islamists are upset because a Danish idiot chose to use the Prophet Mohammad in inflammatory cartoons that debase the Islamic Religion and the Prophet.

Before you say that the cartoons are not that bad and were meant to send a message, remember that we are talking about a society that takes their religion quite seriously and is not amused when (in their view) their religion and prophet is debased.


I REALIZE THAT IT IS POLITICALLY CORRECT TO DECLARE ALL ISLAMISTS AS BEING EXTREMISTS. HOWEVER, THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE RIOTED OVER THESE CARTOONS ARE JUST PLAIN AVERAGE CITIZENS WHO ARE ANGRY BECAUSE SOMEONE HAD THE BAD TASTE TO PUBLISH CARTOONS THAT DEBASE THEIR RELIGION.

IF THAT WASN'T BAD ENOUGH, WHEN THE OUTRAGE BEGAN TO SURFACE, THIS SAME NEWSPAPER THEN POURED GAS ON THE FIRE BY TURNING AROUND AND EXPANDING THE NUMBER OF PAPERS REPUBLISHING THE CARTOONS WHICH CAUSED THE OUTRAGE TO START WITH.

SHAME SHAME SHAME ON ANYONE WHO BELIEVES THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE FREE PRESS. I SAY IT IS AN EXAMPLE OF EVERYTHING WHICH IS BAD.

FREEDOM OF THE PRESS ISN'T ABSOLUTE - THERE'S A HOOK - IT IS CALLED RESPONSIBILITY AND THESE NEWSPAPERS WERE ANYTHING BUT RESPONSIBLE.
February 7th, 2006  
gladius
 
I totaly disagree. There have been many examples of Christianity being desicrated.

Remember the one called "piss christ" of a cross in a bottle of urine, and wasn't there one if I recall of the Virgin Mary made with elephant dung, that and others.

But did you see any mass rioting by Christians? Sure Christians were offended but they didn't riot in a mass scale like you are seeing now. If there were any violent disturbances they were by a very few people whose behavior is condemed, these were the exceptions, not something done by thousands. The furthest it came to were probably boycotts but at the source itself not againts entire governments.

The Muslims portray the Jews as satan all the time, they have cartoons were they show Rabbi's drinking people blood like vampires, and Jews eating children, saying the Holocaust doesn't exist. Do you see the Jews rioting over that?

This is about a religion who likes to condem all it wants, yet when the same thing is done to their symbols they go crazy as if no one can touch them.