The Missile Miracle In China - Page 2




 
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July 2nd, 2010  
Shmack
 
 
Unguided missiles can't be used against ships, even aircraft carriers. Anti-ship missiles can only be guided. If you use unguided missiles against any mobile target on the ground, you have to fire a score of them (MLR systems, ground-attack aircrafts, etc). If you use them in the ocean, the ammount of missiles you will need is uncountable.

If the DF-21 missile uses radar homing, it can be misled by chaff like any other missile.
July 2nd, 2010  
LeMask
 
I think that nothing is impossible.

Terrorists managed to take control of 4 airplanes the 9/11. And they did hit their targets. 3 out of 4.

When it comes to military events where surprise is important, they will try to attack you where you think it's impossible.

Didnt the German cross some "impossible" terrains to invade France?

I know that aircraft carriers are extremely well defended. But once they know their positions and their speed. Even artillery shells can hit them.
And I dont think that their defenses can stop a barrage of artillery shells... And I think that once you hit a ship, his ability to defend himself will drop significantly...

Tanks are supposed to be hard or even impossible to kill with lowtech weapons, but once you disable it's tracks, you can destroy it with basic artillery.

And the loss of one carrier would be a huge event. A huge loss for any power in the world.
July 2nd, 2010  
Shmack
 
 
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Originally Posted by LeMask
I think that nothing is impossible.

Terrorists managed to take control of 4 airplanes the 9/11. And they did hit their targets. 3 out of 4.
The aircrafts were guided. By people.

Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMask
When it comes to military events where surprise is important, they will try to attack you where you think it's impossible.

Didnt the German cross some "impossible" terrains to invade France?

I know that aircraft carriers are extremely well defended. But once they know their positions and their speed. Even artillery shells can hit them.
And I dont think that their defenses can stop a barrage of artillery shells... And I think that once you hit a ship, his ability to defend himself will drop significantly...
The defense lines in France were called impossible to overcome from ideological considerations. Of course, that was purely a matter of military talent and superiority in men and equipment. We are talking about a bit different meaning of 'impossiblity': inexcusably low chances.

Naval artillery shells can hit a carrier, but that is naval warfare now. Once you manage to hit a ship with artillery shells and damage it, there won't be need in using unguided missiles or expensive and complex ballistic missile systems to finish it off, since there are plenty of more reliable and well-tried methods of anti-carriers warfare: submarines, aircrafts, etc.

If a 300-meters carrier has lost its way and is drifting, if you know its most exact coordinates, you can in theory strike it with DF-21. And there will still be a high chance that you miss and your missile just falls into water. Or you can send a sub and destroy it with a single torpedo.
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July 2nd, 2010  
LeMask
 
Well, there is men in submarines, aircraft and navy ships...

When you use missiles, all you can lose is the price of these missiles. You can send men to do the job, but if they fail, they wont come back.

And I dont see how missiles from aircrafts could have more success than ballistic missiles. Are they not using the same technology?
July 2nd, 2010  
Shmack
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMask
And I dont see how missiles from aircrafts could have more success than ballistic missiles. Are they not using the same technology?
Guidance technology? Tehcnically, yes, again if this particular ballistic missile uses radar homing. But on practice, DF-21 speed is several times higher than.. say Harpoon or Yakhont or Kh-35 cruise missiles speed, which means less room for manoeuvres. Cruise missiles are way more accurate due to their lower speed and flat trajectory.

This technology is very perspective but not effective as the case stands today. The most advanced short-range (less than 500 km) quasi-ballistic missiles today have circular error probable of 30 meters. Subscribed range of DF-21 is 3000 kilometers, so it's very hard to speak about such accuracy that can allow to hit a ship. The only ballistic or quasi-ballistic missile that can successfuly hit carriers at the present time is the one with nuclear warhead on it.
July 2nd, 2010  
LeMask
 
Yeah sure, destroy half of the planet... Way to get these over-protected carriers... haha...
July 2nd, 2010  
Shmack
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeMask
Yeah sure, destroy half of the planet... Way to get these over-protected carriers... haha...
Well, no need in using 10Mt yields of course, but nuclear weapons used to be one of the options in fighting against carriers during cold war.
July 2nd, 2010  
Naddoğur
 
 
According to a U.S. Naval Institutereport, the missile has range of 2000 kilometers (approximately 1,240 miles) and can reach an aircraft carrier or any other surface ship within 12 minutes at that range.

The range of the modified Dong Feng 21 missile is significant in that it covers the areas that are likely hot zones for future confrontations between U.S. and Chinese surface forces.

The size of the missile enables it to carry a warhead big enough to inflict significant damage on a large vessel, providing the Chinese the capability of destroying a U.S. supercarrier in one strike.

USNI also reports that the missile employs a complex guidance system, low radar signature and a maneuverability that makes its flight path unpredictable, the odds that it can evade tracking systems to reach its target are increased. It is estimated that the missile can travel at mach 10 and reach its maximum range of 2000km in less than 12 minutes.

Supporting the missile is a network of satellites, radar and unmanned aerial vehicles that can locate U.S. ships and then guide the weapon, enabling it to hit moving targets.

While the ASBM has been a topic of discussion within national defense circles for quite some time, the fact that information is now coming from Chinese sources indicates that the weapon system is operational. The Chinese rarely mention weapons projects unless they are well beyond the test stages.

If operational as is believed, the system marks the first time a ballistic missile has been successfully developed to attack vessels at sea. Ships currently have no defense against a ballistic missile attack.
July 2nd, 2010  
Shmack
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Naddoğur
Supporting the missile is a network of satellites, radar and unmanned aerial vehicles that can locate U.S. ships and then guide the weapon, enabling it to hit moving targets.
Ah, UAVs, hegh! UAV against anti-air defense systems an embarked squadron? Right...
July 2nd, 2010  
Naddoğur
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shmack
Ah, UAVs, hegh! UAV against anti-air defense systems an embarked squadron? Right...
According to the U.S. Navy.
 


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