Do Middle East muslims want peace or eradication of Zionism? - Page 2




 
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Boots
 
March 1st, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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My opinion, based on first-hand experience, is that Arabs want the eradication of Zionism in the MidEast.
Wrong! they want to co-exist peacefully with ISRAEL, but with palestinian issue solved.
March 1st, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Arabs and Muslims are generally sympathetic to the Palestinian cause but I do not think most of them conceive of a solution. There is that small ounce of sympathy for the extremist groups in far too many Muslim hearts. The extremist groups deserve no sympathy. They are completely counterproductive to the cause of peace in the Middle East.

Muslims are good people with good values. The vast vast majority of them wish for peace between Israel and Islam. That majority could possibly do more to counteract the nonsense that comes from the extremists. The tiny minority will have their way so long as the greater masses resolve to do nothing.
March 1st, 2005  
gladius
 
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Like I said that destruction of Masjid-e-Aqsa and building of Temple for welcoming the future Messiah in its place might trigger the un-expected behaviour from muslims.
Slaughtering all the Jews is certainly "unexpected behavior",...for most most people at least. But in this case maybe not.
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March 1st, 2005  
TBA_PAKI
 
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Like I said that destruction of Masjid-e-Aqsa and building of Temple for welcoming the future Messiah in its place might trigger the un-expected behaviour from muslims.
Slaughtering all the Jews is certainly "unexpected behavior",...for most most people at least. But in this case maybe not.
It all counts to sacredness of a thing. Masjid-e-Aqsa is very sacred to muslims particularly and the zoinist plan is to replace it with Temple in future. Now it will be considered as an aggression and attack on muslims faith also.

Just like USA reacted when important areas were attacked there. It is common reaction for anyone regardless of what other think. And prophecies do not cover the complete picture of an event in future. Also muslims are not so eager to destory all Jews (like Hitler!).

And gladius, simply stop portraying the narrations about muslims from whatever source you post them from. It won't gonna work and try to be more realistic to current world scenarios.
March 2nd, 2005  
rocco
 
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Like I said that destruction of Masjid-e-Aqsa and building of Temple for welcoming the future Messiah in its place might trigger the un-expected behaviour from muslims. And this is true future plan of Israel.

And even in India, hard-liner hindus destroyed the Babri mosque and replacing it with RAM Temple and also slaughtered thousands of muslims.

These two are the signs of dis-respect to muslims (regarless of there history). So you better think of them as well before blaming others!
the muslims had no right building their mosques on other religeons holy site, just like they didnt have the right to do it in afghanistan or constantinople
March 2nd, 2005  
Italian Guy
 
 
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Originally Posted by Italian Guy
My opinion, based on first-hand experience, is that Arabs want the eradication of Zionism in the MidEast.
Wrong! they want to co-exist peacefully with ISRAEL, but with palestinian issue solved.
The issue solved being a Palestine "from the river to the sea", as it's pictured in the Palestinian schooltexts.
March 2nd, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
As I see it(and from upclose too ), most people want peace and quiet. There radicals, on both sides, that wish to fight their bloody "holy wars" untill the end of time. The main diffrence is, in my view, that while the Israelis have very few radicals(say, 10%), the Arabs have much more(say 30%). Also, while in Israel the Radicals are slowly but asurely becoming hated and rediculed in the General public, the arab public is easly convinced to go to violence by their radicals. This, in my opinion, is the result of a few things:

*The Arabs generally have less to loose, since their quality of life is lower.
*The Palestinian public is overall not as educated as the Israeli public, and therefor falls more easily for lies and provocations.
*The Arabs are more religous than the Israelis, and they are often mislead by people who use religon as a political means.
*Politics in the Arab world are still made by use of force rather than by election. This creates the feeling in the Arabs that they can solve thei problems with Israel by force.

In my opinion all of these factors are on the decline, and with in a few decades the Palestinian issue will be resolved. It could take even another 50 years, but it will resolve peacefully.
March 2nd, 2005  
Xion
 
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"The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and trees would call: oh, Muslim, oh, servant of God! There is a Jew, behind me, come and kill him."
I feel the violence and the hatred in that statement and its said by someone who is considered as sacred amongst the Muslims...this amazes me...and also tells me something about something.
You can't deny the fact that Islam has been aggressive since its very birth.Why force your religion on others , why couldn't muslims live in peace with other religions.I also think that Islam still believes if ones not a follower of Islam he's a qafir or something ?
Like I said that destruction of Masjid-e-Aqsa and building of Temple for welcoming the future Messiah in its place might trigger the un-expected behaviour from muslims. And this is true future plan of Israel.

And even in India, hard-liner hindus destroyed the Babri mosque and replacing it with RAM Temple and also slaughtered thousands of muslims.

These two are the signs of dis-respect to muslims (regarless of there history). So you better think of them as well before blaming others!
Un-expected behaviour from someone whom you treat as God ?...you worship someone who preaches you that one should kill the other if they do not accept your religion ?...
I can't belive how can educated human beings like yourself be brainwashed so much as to believe someone like him


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"The last hour won't come before the Muslims would fight the Jews and the Muslims will kill them so Jews would hide behind rocks and trees. Then the rocks and trees would call: oh, Muslim, oh, servant of God! There is a Jew, behind me, come and kill him."
You can only find such hatred towards other religions in Islam.This is the reason it spread so fast and wide, it was simple, if you didn't accept Islam you would get beheaded and your wife getting raped.


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And even in India, hard-liner hindus destroyed the Babri mosque and replacing it with RAM Temple and also slaughtered thousands of muslims.
don't tell me how many hindus were slaughtered and converted to islam in pakistan.hindus don't even have voting rights in pakistan.no hindu ever forced a muslim to convert to their religion.


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And prophecies do not cover the complete picture of an event in future. Also muslims are not so eager to destory all Jews (like Hitler!).
right, muslims are not eager to kill all jews but they are eager to kill everyone who isn't a muslim as you can see from incidents all around the world.


I feel the prophecy of Muslims taking over the entire world is so baseless, rather there's going to be so much hatred against Islam and its violent nature in the near future that soon it will be wiped off the face of the earth.
March 2nd, 2005  
chewie_nz
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
As I see it(and from upclose too ), most people want peace and quiet. There radicals, on both sides, that wish to fight their bloody "holy wars" untill the end of time. The main diffrence is, in my view, that while the Israelis have very few radicals(say, 10%), the Arabs have much more(say 30%). Also, while in Israel the Radicals are slowly but asurely becoming hated and rediculed in the General public, the arab public is easly convinced to go to violence by their radicals. This, in my opinion, is the result of a few things:

*The Arabs generally have less to loose, since their quality of life is lower.
*The Palestinian public is overall not as educated as the Israeli public, and therefor falls more easily for lies and provocations.
*The Arabs are more religous than the Israelis, and they are often mislead by people who use religon as a political means.
*Politics in the Arab world are still made by use of force rather than by election. This creates the feeling in the Arabs that they can solve thei problems with Israel by force.

In my opinion all of these factors are on the decline, and with in a few decades the Palestinian issue will be resolved. It could take even another 50 years, but it will resolve peacefully.
spot on there i reckon sherman,

just slightly off topic here sherman, but i thught you would be interested in the story my G/f passed on to me yesterday. she is the person at otago university that looks after the social clubs. yesterday she was approached by someone wanting to set up an isreali jewish society at the university. now my g/f has had some experience in the middle east (mainly in saudi), and wondered if she could get both the isreali's and one of the muslim groups here to attend a function....well at this stage it should be all go, and may even make nation level news here. most of what we see on TV here is arabs and isreali's tearing each other apart...so it's a good story
March 2nd, 2005  
Xion
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
In my opinion all of these factors are on the decline, and with in a few decades the Palestinian issue will be resolved. It could take even another 50 years, but it will resolve peacefully.
do you think only resolving the palestinian problem would solve everything ?...could jews co-exist in environs which hates them so much from thousands of years since the very beginning of Islam ?
Is the nature of Islam ever going to change or does the religion itself demands that kill everyone who isn't a muslim ?

are the efforts like what chewie_nz posted about only superficial which are trying to hide a stark reality beneath them which is just not going to change ?

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and wondered if she could get both the isreali's and one of the muslim groups here to attend a function
well at this stage it should be all go, and may even make nation level news here. most of what we see on TV here is arabs and isreali's tearing each other apart...so it's a good story
how would that change the ground reality in the middle east, where there's so much violence...you will prolly hear another suicide bomber killing hundreds of jews in some city of israel in some days.... things would only go in the right direction if you are actually able to do that in israel or palestine....such things usually only make news in places and amongst ppl who are the least sufferers and enjoy watching some breaking news on their TV sets....but i don't think it changes the reality in the place where the actual conflict occurs