Middle East and Muslim manufacturing capabilities?

[gladius]

Saddam Hussein had proven that you really don't need the overall manifacturing capabilities to build up a large, well equiped army, too bad for him his soldiers didn't really have the will to fight, not to mention we had him totally outclassed (but that's another story).

My question is, does anyone in the region or any Muslim country manifacture any type of weapons or combat vehicles at all? Either their own or through lisence.

Iran is suppose to be coming up with their new Shafaq light/stealth fighter, with the first one slated to roll in 2008. What are the oppinions on how good this plane will be?

Also during the Russian war in Afganistan, Stinger missles were aquired by Iran from the Afganis, these were then sent to China on a tech exchange program, with the Chinese copying them. Does anyone know if the Chinese gave the manifacturing capabilities of these Stinger copycats to the Iranians, or do the Iranians just buy them from China?

What about the Sunburn, are they looking to manifacture this or just buy a few?

 

[AussieNick]

Personally I think Iran is the only nation that has a current self sustaining ability in terms of military equipment. They may not make it right now, but they could. I believe that Saudi Arabia and Jordan also could have the ability.

 

[Trevor]

I hear that they are provided with Hokum, Havocs and HInds from the Cold War era. Is this true? If so, who is providing them with them?

 

[AussieNick]

If you can buy T-72 tanks on the internet, I don't think they'd have a problem finding a supplier for choppers. Providers could be Russia or ex-soviet nations, or nations such as Syria.

 

[Trevor]

I doubt it would be russia. You're most likely right about ex-soviet nations. Possibly Turmenistan, Kyrgistan or Tajikistan.

 

[godofthunder9010]

Why does everyone always forget Turkey?? They're as well equipped to manufacture their own arms as most European nations -- and yeah, they're Muslim. That and the former Soviet states are the Muslim nations that can get it done. The rest of Islam doesn't bother developing the capacity for whatever reason.

Saudi and Jordan are obvious. They lack the manpower to adequately produce for themselves, but plenty of money. The solution is obvious: Buy American, buy French, buy British, buy buy buy.

Of your core Islam nations, Iran and Pakistan are the most capable of making their own arms. By "core Islam nations", I'm intending the nations that seek to build the Koran into their government are are heavily controlled by Islam, etc.

 

[A Can of Man]

The reason why Turkey is ignored in this argument is that they're kicking and screaming to be allowed into the EU. They're not going to blow it away by being weapons suppliers to countries deemed dangerous by them.

 

[rOk]

Egypt.

I don't know if they are able to be self-sufficient (probably not) but they are putting good effort in it.

 

[SHERMAN]

Id say the two only countrys that can self manufacture serious hardware hardware are Egypt and Iran.

 

[EOD]

What about Indonesia and Pakistan?

Here a short introduction to products of

Iran
http://www.diomil.com/

Pakistan
http://pofwah.com.pk/

 

[A Can of Man]

Indonesia's okay but I won't be expecting them to turn out really quality stuff. They still have lots of problems with the cutting edge stuff and have to import specialized equipment. Their power is in natural resources.

 

[Chinaman]

as far as imconcerned armed with aks, stingers and rpgs is good enough, all three are capable of air, land defence and attack

maybe if hte terriorsts changed to human wave tactics the world woul dbe a better place

 

[A Can of Man]

Human waves? That would be doing the Americans a favor. They would use their maximum firepower in a concentrated area. Listen, the human wave stuff may have worked in the 1950s, but nowadays the instant a large body of people even start to gather, it'll be detected. Then B-52s will be called in while they're still organizing. The instant they move they will be running into a carpet of bombs and will be shred to bits. The survivors will be bleeding out of their ears and will lose all sense of orientation.
Meanwhile, if the B-52s are late, other air assets will come in with cluster munitions and I think I don't have to tell you how good that stuff is at shredding infantry, or large masses of people for that matter. Also I think we discussed the artillery before.

As for RPGs etc. yeah, pretty much anyone can make those. AKs? You can make that in your garage if you got the right tools.

 

[rocco]

irans vehicles are built of old parts, their chinese replicants are well... just that...

egypt builds m1a1, offcourse under US license (dont even know why US let em have it...)

egypt also build al fahd, dont know if its any good though...

the only danger is iran, and the only weapon they are building that is of any worth, is nukes... so lets all pray that israel does another osirak mission...

actually the best weapon developers are the palestinians who make great suicide belts... :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[Methodman]

Hi,

Egypt is a 'ally' of the NATO, You say why the US let them built the M1A1 Abrams MBT? Here is the question: Against Libya and Israel. Do you think that Israel is the best ally of the USA? No, I think not anymore. After 1998 when Osama bombed US ambassies in Africa, the whole world has been looking why, the problem is Israel and since then the people in Holland say that the Jews must get out of Palestinian territory if they want peace. And now the US is helping all the countries who has not involved in 9/11 attacks and helping the US to kill the bearded guys who want to attack (or have attacked) NATO allies.

Egyp, Turkey, Azerbaycan, Saudi Arabia and other gulf states are important to do well to fight terrorism.

The strongest country in the muslim world is Turkey. High readiness, modern technology, developing most weapons by itself, only some critical systems are bought from outside like planes, mbt's, missiles, etc.. All other thermal viewers, apc, howitsers, rifles, explosives, MLRS, ATGM's are now built entirely in Turkey. Turkey is therefore the largest country with muslim citizens who exports the most weapons when you look to other muslim nations. Building only ballistic missiles is not the option to win, look to Syria, 25,000 mbts wich 300 of them are operational...

 

[HangPC2]

IAMI Azarakhsh


The IAMI Azarakhsh (lightning) is Iran's first domestically manufactured combat aircraft. Iran was not previously known to have an aircraft production capability. In April 1997 Iranian Brigadier General Arasteh, a deputy head of the General Staff of the Armed Forces declared that Iran had successfully designed, constructed, and tested its first fighter aircraft. By late 1997 Iran had begun mass producing the aircraft. By mid-2000, four aircraft were said to be undergoing operational tests, with production proceeding at a rate of around ten aircraft per year.

A great deal of the aircraft is derived from the reverse engineered components of US fighter planes. Notable among these are the F-14 Tomcat, the F-5 Freedom Fighter, and the F-4 Phantom II. Numerous enhancements and upgrades were also built into the design from an early stage.

Iran has yet to release any additional information about the aircraft and its capabilities are unknown. It is believed to be essentially a reverse engineered F-5F, but larger by about 10%-15% and powered by two Tumansky RD-33 turbofans, as used on the Mikoyan MiG-29. The Azarakhsh is also said to use the MiG-29's N-019M Topaz radar.

Specification

* Crew: two
* Length: 17.70 m (58 ft 1 in)
* Wingspan: 9.20 m (30 ft 2 in)
* Height: m (ft in)
* Wing area: 21.9 m² (236 ft²)
* Empty: 8,000 kg (17,600 lb)
* Loaded:
* Maximum takeoff: 18,000 kg (39,600)
* Powerplant: 2x Tumansky RD-33, 81.6 kN (18,300 lbf) thrust each

Performance

* Maximum speed: Mach 1.4
* Range: 1,200 km (750 miles)
* Service ceiling: m ( ft)
* Rate of climb: m/min ( ft/min)
* Wing loading:
* Thrust-to-weight:

Shafagh

Shafaq is an advanced Light Attack/Trainer aircraft designed by the Aviation University Complex (AUC), part of the Malek Ashtar University of Technology. At the start of the program Iran received help from Russia and the aircraft was back then known as ''Integral'', Russia later backed away from this project due to several reasons and Iran carried on the project by itself and the aircraft became known as ''Shafaq''.

The Shafaq is a sub-sonic aircraft, made of radar-absorbing material. It has a large leading edge root extension (LERX) and a root aft of the wing which gives it an unusual circular sub-section. A 1/7 scale model of the Shafaq has already completed testing in the AUC's wind tunnel and pictures have already been revealed which show that a Full-scale model has already been built. The Shafaq will be built in several variants which include a Two-Seater Trainer, Two-Seater Light Attack and a One-Seater Light Attack variant. Roll-out of the first prototype is scheduled for 2008

Irans first generation of fighter jets

The female engineer behind some of it:

The Shafagh's advanced cockpit features color MFDs and a Russian-made K-36D ejection seat - once considered by the US to be used on the F-22 Raptor

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3024/49gi0cg.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7277/35ec4tk.jpg

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/7109/22eb7my.jpg

http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/9104/15729eu3bx.jpg

 

[HangPC2]

Malaysian 1st Rifles ''BERAPI'' LP02, LP06 & LP05

PETALING JAYA: For four years, the staff at Vita Berapi (M) Sdn Bhd have toiled at research and development.

But they will enjoy the fruits of their labour soon: The little-known Malaysian company is all set to produce the first made-in-Malaysia range of firearms.

Vita Berapi managing director Syed Yusoff Syed Abdullah said the company would open its first firearms manufacturing factory in Rawang by the end of the year.

He said the company hoped to supply its products to the Malaysian armed forces and other security forces.

"We have seven types of weapons, ranging from sidearms to rifles and even a pistol for sports.

"We believe that we can compete in the local and regional markets."

The company had spent much on research and development of its firearms, hiring designers from Belarus for the job.

Apart from the LP04 sports pistol, the company will also produce the Hicap Compact automatic pistol, LP01 combat pistol, LP01A automatic combat pistol (mini machine gun), LP02 sub machine gun, LP03 sub machine gun (modified), LP06 rifle and LP05 sniper rifle.

"The sports pistol was specially designed by a former Belarus shooting champion who is now the head of design at Vita Berapi. The pistol can hold up to five bullets at a time and is accurate up to 25 metres," Syed Yusoff said.

Vita Berapi’s pistol and combat pistol also have a range accuracy of 25 metres, while the automatic combat pistol’s accuracy goes up to 100 metres.

The range accuracy increases to 150 metres for both the submachine guns, while the accuracy for the rifle and sniper rifle is 600 metres and 2.5km respectively.

Ammunition for the firearms are 9mm calibre, with the exception of the rifle and sniper rifle, which use 5.56mm and 12.7mm calibre bullets respectively.

The rifles can be equipped with scopes and night vision sights, while the sniper rifle comes equipped with an optical sight.

http://www.dsaexhibition.com/

http://www.defenseworld.net/dsa2006/

Model : VB Berapi LP02 Sub Machinegun

caliber 9 x 19mm parabellum. Range up to 150m, magazine 25 bullets (up to 35).

Model : VB Berapi LP05 Sniper Rifle

Caliber 12.7mm, effective range 2.5 km.

Model : VB Berapi LP06

Model : VB Berapi M4 Carbine 5.56mm (Under Licensed)

 

[WarMachine]

Malaysia and Iran have some interesting developments, but this is only their first generation stuff. Iran seems to have a lot of influence from the f 16 and other american jets in their designs, but who knows, they might just surprise the entire aerospace industry with what they can do. Just don't expect it to be on par with western fighters, that doesn't make any sense.

But upon closer inspection, it does look like the iranian fighters have mig influences as well.

 

[HangPC2]

Indonesian Rifles manufacturing

http://www.pindad.com/ind/index.php

http://www.pindad.com/eng/index.php

Pindad SS2-V1

Pindad SS1-M1, SS1-M2, SS1-M5

With special coating process, making SS1 Marinize weapon hold up to sea water / not easy to rust. Weapon remain to function after drenched in the mud or sand. SS1 Marinize is designed with elegan colour touch. Available in 3 variant, SS1-M1 long barrel with foldable butt, SS1-M2 short barrel with foldable butt, and SS1-M5 Commando.

 

[HangPC2]

DRB-Hicom Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (Deftech)

http://www.drb-hicom.com

http://www.acm.com.my/vehicle-hicom.html

DEFTECH ACV300 Adnan (APC)

DEFTECH AV-4 (AMV)

DEFTECH 4x4 HICOM Handalan II (TRUCK)

Deftech plans helicopter plant

DRB-Hicom Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (Deftech), a subsidiary of DRB-HICOM Bhd, plans to set up a plant in Kepala Batas, Penang to assemble and maintain aircraft, said Group Chairman Tan Sri Mohd Saleh Sulong.

The plant is targeted for repair and maintenance of helicopters from AgustaWestland of Italy that are operating in Malaysia and the region. The plant would cost an estimated RM60 million.

"We have an order for nine helicopters from Agusta with one helicopter to be delivered each month starting from November,'' Deftech Deputy General Manager Corporate Planning Lt- Col (R) Narindar Singh Sidhu said.

The new plant was also part of Deftech's plans to diversify into the commercial and aviation sectors. The company derives its remaining revenue from the military segment which is its core market.

Since October, the company has secured RM6 million worth of commercial contracts. Its first commercial export market was Bangladesh when it exported two evidence-collecting vehicles.

Deftech handed over the first batch of the four variants of truck 4x4 HICOM Handalan II to the Royal Brunei Armed Forces yesterday.

The seven trucks were part of the total 69 vehicles ordered by the Brunei government. The remaining vehicles would be delivered by the end of this year.

Indonesia was expected to be the next target export market, as the company had already established contacts there, Sidhu said.

Deftech hopes to launch the first locally designed and produced military vehicle by next April.

Adapted from "The Star", 28 June, 2005