Middle East and Muslim manufacturing capabilities? - Page 3

June 8th, 2006  
Thanks for info HangPC2,

Irans Shafaq did surprise me, it does look pretty advanced style of design. It is said to be made out of radar absorbing material, I wonder how good those material are.

I doubt it is at the same level as the US fighters electronicaly. But I must say I am surprised at their level of arcraft design and manifacturing capabilites.
June 9th, 2006  
Mohmar Deathstrike
I have heard a lot of people big up the Shafag's capability exxageratedly. My random guess is it will be on par with the first F/A-18s that had glass cockpits,except it will be a little stealthier.

Originally Posted by HangPC2
DRB-Hicom Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (Deftech)




Turkey and the Netherlands build vehicles that look exactly like this.
June 9th, 2006  
Does the middle east have any natural iron reserves?
June 10th, 2006  
Mohmar Deathstrike
Originally Posted by SNowblind
Does the middle east have any natural iron reserves?
Isn't iron ore found pretty much everywhere?
June 10th, 2006  
The very core of the Earth is mostly molten iron.

Table 20.--Metal content of iron ore1/ produced in primary producing countries
(Thousand metric tons)
Aus- South Africa,
Year tralia Brazil Canada India Liberia Republic of
1986----- 60,082 85,290 23,002 29,923 9,480 15,914
1987----- 64,798 89,134 23,882 31,937 8,520 14,297
1988----- 61,244 97,139 24,268 31,226 7,910 16,461
1989----- 67,313 102,300 23,971 33,440 7,450 19,461
1990----- 69,766 102,600 22,147 33,600 2,490 19,689
United Vene- Total world
Sweden U.S.S.R. States zuela Other production
1986----- 13,246 137,252 25,295 10,817 93,467 503,768
1987----- 12,809 138,216 30,526 11,670 96,384 522,173
1988----- 13,393 138,217 36,468 12,340 95,914 534,580
1989----- 14,124 134,789 37,413 12,016 97,635 549,912
1990----- 12,901 132,000 35,695 12,655 98,981 542,524
1/Includes iron ore, iron ore concentrates, iron ore agglomerates, and byproduct ore.

The ampunt of Fe in the ore varies but 50% is considered high quality ore.
June 11th, 2006  
The makeup of Irans defence industry, how it works and what not.

Saudi Arabia Domestic Arms production

Eygpts defence industry
Egypt is the most important manufacturer of weapons and military components among the Arab countries.
I found all of this information at http://www.globalsecurity.org/index.html.
June 12th, 2006  
Malaysian Company


Sri Jentayu Global Sdn Bhd

Manufacturer Anti Ballistic Aemour


SME Ordnance Sdn Bhd



Small Arms Ammunition
Medium Calibre Ammunition
Steyr AUG Rifle Butt and Other Components
Shotgun Cartidges
Pyrotechnics & Grenades
Large Calibre Ammunition
Engineering Plastic Division (EPD)

SME Aerospace Sdn Bhd


SMEA is a wholly owned subsidiary of the National Aerospace & Defence Industries (NADI) Bhd, and is a major player in Malaysia's expanding aerospace industry. With its comprehensive manufacturing facilities, it is indeed a premier subcontract manufacturer of metal-based aerospace parts, components and assemblies in Malaysia for leading aerospace manufacturers worldwide.
Located at Sungai Buloh, just 30 minutes outside Malaysia's capital, Kuala Lumpur, SMEA is well linked to the rest of the world through Malaysia's ultra-modern international airport at Sepang and sea ports at Port Klang, both of which are no more than one hour by road from SMEA's plant.
The company commenced operations in 1992. Since then, it has manufactured and assembled or has the contract to manufacture and assemble parts and components for various aircraft models, including Airbus A320, A340 and A380, and Boeing B777.

MMC Defence Sdn Bhd


MMC Defence has become a major defence-contracting player with the capability to carry out modernisation programmes including the total refurbishment and upgrading of armoured vehicle variants comprising both wheeled and tracked vehicles. The company has also been appointed by the Government to provide integrated logistics support and maintenance for the 62 new Polish main battle tanks (MBTs) to be used by the Malaysian Army.

Zetro Aerospace Corporation Sdn Bhd


ZeRRDiS (Zetro Remote Radar Display System)
ZeBaIS (Zetro Base Information System)
Z-KRIS - Optimum Solution for Maritime Surveillance

PSC - Naval Dockyard Sdn Bhd



PSC - Naval Dockyard Sdn. Bhd. is located on a sea frontage across the resort island of Pulau Pangkor. The best of its kind in South East Asia. It has comprehensive and modern facilities integrated to meet the total maintenance requirements of the Royal Malaysian Navy fleet, from hull repairing to complete overhaul and from radar refitting to weapon systems refurbishment. Services are also extended to foreign naval vessels of the American, Australian, New Zealand and French Navy.



AIROD stands for ‘Aircraft Inspection, Repair & Overhaul Depot’. AIROD was established in 1976 as the first and only in-country facility to support the Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) aircraft.
In 1985, it was privatized as a joint venture company between National Aerospace & Defense Industries (NADI) and Lockheed Aircraft Systems International (LASI) of USA.
Today, AIROD is a fully Malaysian owned company under the NADI group of companies and is a leading MRO facility in the region providing quality services to regional and global customers.

AIROD is strategically located at the Sultan Abdul Aziz Shah (SAAS) Airport Complex northwest of the capital city of Kuala Lumpur. AIROD occupies a 77.4-acre site on the northeastern side of the runway. AIROD’s multi-million dollar facility is an internationally recognized aerospace maintenance and modification center.
AIROD’s well-established facility includes both narrow and wide body hangars, paint & strip hangar, support shops and engine test cells.

SaShip Holdings Bhd (Sabah Shipyard Sdn Bhd)

Labuan Shipyard & Engineering Sdn Bhd


Labuan Shipyard & Engineering Sdn Bhd ("LSE") is a Malaysian engineering and construction company with core businesses in shipbuilding, ship repair, naval craft maintenance, and oil and gas fabrication.
LSE operates a spacious, modern and well-equipped shipyard in Labuan Island, off the west coast of Sabah.
The shipyard sits on a prime 24-hectare site within the historic port of Victoria (now Labuan Town) in the south-eastern part of Labuan. It enjoys a strategic advantage because it has deepwater access, shelter from monsoons and by virtue of it being at the crossroads of global shipping routes, giving it unmatched sea accessibility.

Composites Technology Research Malaysia Sdn Bhd (CTRM)


Composites Technology Research Malaysia Sdn. Bhd (CTRM) was incorporated in November 1990 by Minister of Finance Malaysia Inc. in response to the government having the vision for the advanced composite industry, thus giving CTRM the mandate to spearhead Malaysia’s foray into the aerospace and composite manufacturing.
It is an investment holding company and operates through its subsidiaries (CTRM Aero Composites Sdn Bhd, CTRM Aviation Sdn Bhd and CTRM Excelnet Engineering Sdn Bhd) in various projects such as manufacturing of composite components, MRO services and engineering design.
CTRM Sdn Bhd focuses on three main areas: aerospace, composites and engineering. These three areas will provide the full range of the aerospace and composites industry. CTRM Aero Composites Sdn Bhd specialises in composites components manufacturing. CTRM Aviation Sdn Bhd specialises in MRO services whilst CTRM Excelnet Engineering is the group design center.
June 13th, 2006  
IAMI F/B-22 (Upgrade Concept For F-5E/F)

??? Unknow

IAMI F/B-44 (Iranian Lion)

This aircraft is highly controversial and may not even exist the why it is described (as information comes from only certain informed sources). This supposed aircraft was thought to be called the Sa’eqeh-80. However, this idea diminished when the actual Sa’eqeh was unveiled. Assuming the F/B-44 “Iranian Lion” does exist, there are two possibilities about the name confusion. First, the sources could have been mistakenly confused the name with the real Sa’eqeh and this aircraft was never known as the Sa’eqeh-80. Secondly, it is possible this fighter is also called the Sa’eqeh-80 along with the other aircraft. In any case, this fighter is supposedly referred to by American sources with the code name F/B-44 “Iranian Lion” and this designation will be used by me to avoid confusion.

Very little is known about this fighter, other then that it has twin fins, twin engines, a dual seat configuration, it is a medium size fighter in a class between the YF-17 (P-530) Cobra and F-14 Tomcat, and is truly a new fighter. It supposedly has a basic configuration similar to the F/A-18 Hornet and MiG-29 Fulcrum. The aircraft derives much from the Northrop YF-17 project, in which the Shah was heavily connected. Actually, blue prints, designs, and manuals are said to have made there way into Iran before the revolution. Also, the F/B-44 incorporates much of the F-14 design.

The only official Iranian comments on the project are that is a blend of eastern and western technology and that it doesn’t resemble any aircraft in Iranian service or any where in the world. However, some speculate that these comments were actually referring to the Sa’eqeh. According to many, the F/B-44 “Iranian Lion” is an ultimate and definitive fighter aircraft to actually replace Iranian F-4s and possibly later on F-14s. As it is, Iran will definitely need to introduce a new main multi-role fighter-bomber type, equipped with medium and long-range air-to-air weapons by the end of this decade. Either Iran starts importing MiG-29Ms/J-10s in the near future (which is very unlikely) or we can expect that the Iranians will develop the F/B-44 into such a powerful fighter.

Development of the F/B-44 is believed to have begun in the early 1990’s. As it is, the F/B-44 supposedly incorporates a heavily upgrade and modified Iranian digital version of the AWG-9, the long range radar/ fire control computing system used in the F-14. It is also believe to be compatible with the AIM-54 Phoenix missile system. Many reverse engineered parts of other Iranian fighters, especially the F-14, are purportedly used in the construction of the F/B-44.

The fighter possibly uses two Iranian built upgraded J-79 engines (used in F-4) or two Klimov Rd-33 engines (used in MiG-29). Interestingly enough, this could possibly be the Iranian fighter Jane’s was talking about, with two Rd-33 engines, not the Azarakhsh. As if 2001, there were two F/B-44 proto-types flying and well in to the flight test program. According to current plans, the F/B-44 should enter large scale operational service somewhere between the years 2008 and 2010.


The M-ATF was the original collaborated project between Iran and Russia, derived from the Integral concept. When the Russians left the program, Iran dropped the program for a simplified variation, which was later named Shafaq. This was not the end of the M-ATF, however. Suspicious were aroused when a model of the M-ATF was shown at Kish 2005 next to the Shafaq model. Now, several independent and varied sources have claimed that Iran has revived the M-ATF and is developing it independently. At the current time, however, there is no confirmation or evidence that would back such claims. More likely Iran is using features and design traits from the M-ATF in the design of the single seat fighter variant of the Shafaq. Possibly, this could result in a fused together M-ATF and Shafaq hybrid, which would not be that unconceivable or difficult considering the Shafaq was originally derived from the M-ATF.



Saeqeh,Saeqeh-80 (Lightning) Azarakhsh-2

The next step in the Iranian fighter evolutionary trail is the Sa’eqeh or Sa’eqeh-80. The “80” which was later dropped stood for the Iranian year of 1380, the year in which the aircraft was planned first to fly. It is important to note that the Sa’eqeh, unlike the Azarakhsh, was developed by MATSA (with design help from SSAFU) not IACI. In a nut shell, the Sa’eqeh could be summarized as a very significant upgrade to the Azarakhsh, an “Azarakhsh-2”, including all the improvements of the Azarakhsh. In fact, this project is possibly also known as Azarakhsh-2 in Iranian official circles. The Iranians simply like new names and most of the time when an aircraft design is modified or upgraded it takes a new name. To understand this one must need only look at Tazarve trainer project, which in its different forms over time, has been called Ra’ad, Dorna, Tondar, and Tazarve. Some names that pop into my head when thinking of the Sa’eqeh are “Super F-5”, “F-5 on steroids”, and “what you get when a F-5E and YF-17 have babies.” (Sorry, just a little Iranian aerospace humor.)

One noticeable difference on the Sa’eqeh is that the single F-5E tail fin of the Azarakhsh was replaced by twin F/A-18 style composite tail fins. It is believed that the Sa’eqeh incorporates a fly by wire system, required due to the aerodynamic unstableness created by the new tail fins. More significantly, it is believed that the J-85 turbojet engines used in the Azarakhsh were replaced with Iranian made afterburning turbofan J-85 engines with substantial technology from the TF-30 engine. These engines have considerably more thrust than their older counterparts.

The exact reasons why Iran decided to adopt a twin tail fin design is currently unknown. However, some reasons that contributed to this decision are believed to be a reduced radar cross section, enhanced performance (shorter take-off, improved yaw, etc.), needed stability due to increased engine thrust, and more room for extra fuel cells. It is also noted that the Sa’eqeh has larger composite wings than the Azarakhsh, which improves its performance a great deal in many different aspects and provides room for extra fuel storage. In addition, the Sa’eqeh integrates a stronger and slightly more extended range radar than the Azarakhsh.

The first Sa’eqeh proto-type made its maiden flight on May 30, 2004. Since then the Sa’eqeh has been undergoing a series flight and capability tests. It is said to demonstrate significantly improved take-off and turning performance over earlier models. Depending on how successful the Sa’eqeh is in its test program, it could enter series production. Currently, only a very limited number of the aircraft are being assembled with some added improvements such as digital glass cockpits and possibly canards. One must note that even though the Sa’eqeh is a true capable fighter, it is still rather only a technology demonstrator and model for experience rather than an endpoint or final ultimate design. In other words, the Sa’eqeh is not meant to become a new workhorse of the Iranian Air Force nor will it replace any fighters currently in Iranian service. It is just another stop in the evolutionary trail of Iranian fighter programs..




June 14th, 2006  
Originally Posted by HangPC2
DRB-Hicom Defence Technologies Sdn Bhd (Deftech)



Australian Defence Industries

The HSMV Flyer military four wheel drive. The flyer was aimed at the now cancelled, or dormant (depending on who you talk to) Australian Project Mulgara. The Flyer has however been sold to at least two "Asian countries" according to "usually reliable sources".
The Flyer has a 2.1 litre turbo-diesel mounted in the rear, a three speed automatic transmission and part-time four wheel drive. It has an unladen weight of 1.2 tons and can carry 1.2 tons across country.
June 14th, 2006  
F/A-18s that had glass cockpits,except it will be a little stealthier.
A F-18 has a lower frontal RCS than a eurofighter so its not exactly a giant radar magnet. Anyway the plane looks like a F-5 I figure it will have comparable performance.