Mexican Troops Cross Border, Hold Border Agent

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Mexican troops crossed the border into Arizona and held a U.S. Border Patrol agent at gunpoint on Sunday, according to a published report.
Agents assigned to the Border Patrol at Ajo, Ariz., said the Mexican soldiers crossed the border into an isolated area southwest of Tucson and pointed rifles at the agent, who has not been identified.
The Mexicans withdrew after other American agents arrived on the scene, The Washington Times reports.
It�s not known why the troops crossed the border, but American law enforcement authorities have said that current and former Mexican soldiers have been hired to protect drug and immigrant smugglers.
�Unfortunately, this sort of behavior by Mexican military personnel has been going on for years,� union Local 2544 of the National Border Patrol Council said on its Web site.
�They are never held accountable, and the United States government will undoubtedly brush this off as another case of, �Oh well, they didn�t know they were in the United States.� It is fortunate that this incident didn�t end in a very ugly gunfight.�
Ricardo Alday, a spokesman at the Mexican Embassy in Washington, told the Times on Tuesday: �Law enforcement operations have led, from time to time, to innocent incursions by both U.S. and Mexican law enforcement personnel and military units into the territory of both nations�
�We always try to solve these incidents in a cooperative fashion, and as acknowledged by the Border Patrol, this was the case in the episode at Ajo.�
The General Accounting Office estimates that $23 billion in illegal drugs flow across the border each year.
According to The Times, a coalition of border sheriffs has demanded that the American and Mexican governments probe incursions into the U.S. by heavily armed drug escorts dressed in Mexican military uniforms.




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That is how the US Customs & Border Protection should be armed....

We have the National Guard on the border unarmed... UNARMED FOR GOD'S SAKE! They were fired upon and had to retreat once. They're the National Guard they should be armed and guarding the nation.

This is not a new thing. Mexican Troops have been crossing over into the USA for years. Wars have started because of things like this and we (USA) just sit back and let it happen.


Back in 1916 we sent the US Army after a couple of Mexican Bandits. Anyone ever heard of the Punitive Expedition. The Commander was General John J. "Black Jack" Pershing. Then Lieutenant George S. Patton got into a gun fight and killed Julio Cárdenas and two other men. Julio Cárdenas was one of Pancho Villa's right hand men. We sent over 10,000 troops because of this.

What caused it all? A cross border raid by Pancho Villa's thugs.

ENOUGH IS ENOUGH.... we should do another Punitive Expedition. This time give the military a break. Send in the police. It's a police type matter anyways. Let the cops (me included) take care of this issue.
 
I'd rather send in some military. Maybe with some MP's. I have no idea why this is considered not important. Very frustrating. Thats like allowing someone to come into your house and telling you what to do there with a gun pointed at you. How is killing this person not justified?
 
Here's the deal. Mexican Police and Military are criminally underpaid. The Commandantes and Generals are criminally corrupt. This leads to the whole damned bunch being...criminals.

There is no doubt in my mind that these guys were muscle for a trafficer, drugs or human take your pick. There is alot of money being made on the border, not just in narcotics although thats the top money maker. You figure that the average "coyote" makes 2500.00 to 4500.00 per head to lead them across the border, more if he's contracted to get them further in. Theres alot of queso changing hands in the zona.

Thing is that these guys might have made 50.00 bucks for their part in it while jefe is pocketing the rest.

I doubt that they are the former military gangs like the Zetas, those guys are way hard corps they would have off'd the BP Agent and went back to Mexico for a couple Modelo's and called it a day.
 
Their no good if they have no teeth. It's Johnson fight with CBP. CBP want's total control of how things are run and to an extent that's fine. But I doubt that most of these groups are gonna take on a platoon in hummers with M240's and M249's in the turrent and ROE's that allow them to light any military unit crossing the border the :cen: up.

Now a lone BP agent or even 2 BP agents in a suburban now that's an easy target they will take that risk.
 
Yeah, I think much more firepower is needed. BP is trained well at FLETC, most are studs but their firepower is not impressive for the job they have to do IMHO.
 
No doubt they are trained well, they have one of the toughest courses in FLE. It's not the fault of the agents actually out there it's the fault of the suits who continue to put their guys in a position that leads to incidents like this. And the fault of DC who hasn't got the walnuts to tell Mexico City "One more time and we light you up, control your people." Because one of the biggest sources of money coming into Mexico is the Money sent there by illegals, Mexico City ain't go do :cen: all to stabalize that border.
 
Cool uniforms too, dark green, little darker than my username.
Even the women in the BP are macho, they train them really well. I love it how they don't softy up for the women in DT either. They also are required to speak a certain amount of Spanish before they graduate. Of course, they teach them that as well in their academy. I kind of think it wouldn't be a bad idea to make that law enforcement wide thing in this country but that's just my opinion and who the fudge am I?
DC is very frustrating, I don't like how we have two BP Agent's sittin in prison now while the druggy is walking free just because he was supposedly an informer. Hopefully, President Bush releases them before he's finsihed.
 
AikiRooster said:
DC is very frustrating, I don't like how we have two BP Agent's sittin in prison now while the druggy is walking free just because he was supposedly an informer. Hopefully, President Bush releases them before he's finsihed.
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You can lay the conviction of BP Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compeon at the feet of Western District of Texas US Attorney "Red" Johnny Sutton. Sutton Prosecuted due the request of the Mexican Goverment because the drug runner was a Mexican Citizen.

But did you know "Red" Johnny also prosecuted Edwards County Texas Deputy Sheriff Gilmer Hernandez for firing on the Vehicle of a Coyote that was attempting to run him over and flee? Did you that Deputy Hernandez was within the policy of his Department? Did you know that Deputy Hernandez was cleared by his own Department and by an investigation conducted by the Texas Rangers before "Red" Johnny decided under pressure from the Mexican Goverment to launch his own investigation? Did you know that the Sheriff of Edwards County and the Texas Rangers formly protested the investigation to the United States Attorney General and they were ignored?

Did you know in both of these cases that the USAO granted border crossing cards, visas and other amenities to the witness"s? Including Per Diem and lodging?

Now keep in mind that all this was done in order to appease a corrupt and demanding Mexican Goverment who seems to believe it's citizen's should have carte blanche to break the laws in this country without fear of punishment in our courts or prisons and simply be returned to Mexico.

Did you know that Mexico has filed a lawsuit to stay the execution of Juan Medellin a Mexican National convicted of the double rape/ murder of a 14 and a 16 year old girl in Houston in 1993 and got the UN to issue a stay from their court? In this case however the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals namely Judge Cochran has told Mexico and the UN to go pizz up a rope.
 
Just inform the Mexican Government that if it happens again the US will send troops (or aircraft as needed) back over the border to capture the offenders. It's up to them.
 
Enough with the Border Patrol agents' and National Guard soldiers' bullsh!ts. Send in the Marines.


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Fox said:
Enough with the Border Patrol agents' and National Guard soldiers' bullsh!ts. Send in the Marines.

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We would, except for the fact that *somebody* sent them to Iraq as well as the Army and most importantly the Texas National Guard whose job this should be.

"When the cats away, the mice will play" as the saying goes...

Still, even if the drug trade is good for the Mexican economy, the Mexican government is still risking a huge international incident with its northern neighbor by having its troops over the border.

Wars have gotten started that way...
 
mmarsh said:
We would, except for the fact that *somebody* sent them to Iraq as well as the Army and most importantly the Texas National Guard whose job this should be.

"When the cats away, the mice will play" as the saying goes...

Still, even if the drug trade is good for the Mexican economy, the Mexican government is still risking a huge international incident with its northern neighbor by having its troops over the border.

Wars have gotten started that way...
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Sure, we should wait until "somebody" issues them white flags and brings them all back from wherever they are and then discharges them and cuts the military funding to the bone again. This coming from someone who just knocked isolationism because it facilitated both world wars.
You can't have it both ways. We have the resources to protect our borders and protect our interests anywhere. We just need to use them efficiently. The borders need to be tightened up. Drug runners, illegal aliens, and terrorists all have way too easy access to the U.S..
If you want to come here, do it legally. Our borders need to be not just protected but secured.
 
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