Men are too rough to train with, Army tells women

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Men are too rough to train with, Army tells women

The Daily Mail (UK) ^ | November 6, 2005 | Andrew Wilks

The Army is abandoning mixed-sex training units because too many female recruits are getting injured trying to keep up with their male counterparts.

From next April, women will be placed in their own platoons and although the training regime will remain the same, it will be conducted at a pace 'sustainable and commensurate with their physical profile'.

Army chiefs hope the changes will greatly reduce drop-out rates among women after research showed female recruits are up to nine times more likely than men to be discharged through a training-related injury.

Dr James Bilzon, the Army Training and Recruitment Agency's senior scientific adviser, found that women are getting hurt as they try to match men in arduous drills and marches wearing full combat gear.

His research showed that, in general, women are less able to cope with the sudden introduction to the exhausting exercise regime demanded by the Army.

The most common complaints are stress fractures to the shin and thigh bones, and pelvic injuries caused by attempting to keep up with the longer stride patterns of men.

'Men are stronger and more robust and it's silly to pretend otherwise'

Dr Bilzon said: "There is a high incidence of training-induced overuse injuries and associated medical discharges among trainees with lower levels of aerobic fitness, particularly females."

He added: "Female recruits are three-to-four times more likely than males to be medically discharged with a training injury, a figure which may be as high as nine times in some training units."

The changes will end a decade of mixed platoons and are a rebuff to modernisers who insisted women soldiers should be treated equally.

Confirming the move away from mixed-sex training, Colonel David Eccles, Chief of Staff at the Army Training and Recruitment Agency, said: "From spring 2006 all initial training for the British Army will be organised along the lines of single-sex platoons at the Army Training Regiment at Pirbright."

Colonel Bob Stewart, who was awarded the Distinguished Service Order for his service in Bosnia in the early Nineties, said it was "hardly surprising" the Army could not train men and women together.

"Men are stronger and more robust and it's silly to pretend otherwise. It seems that at last the Army has woken up to the fact that women are different - something blatantly obvious to anyone," he added.

The Adult Learning Inspectorate, which assesses training standards for youngsters, had urged a rethink of the Army's 'gender-free' policy.

It found that shin bone fractures in women had risen from 12.6 per 10,000 personnel to 231.2 since the introduction of mixed-sex training, while all injuries among women rose from 467 to 1,113 per 10,000. Women currently serve alongside men in all aspects of Army life apart from infantry and tank units and last year 815 women enlisted.


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Yep!
And a couple of years down the track they will bleat and whinge that they are missing out because they arent training with the men and everyone will have to be mixed again.
And so it goes......................
 
Either raise the physical demand for womans entering the Army or wake up and face the fact that there are differences.

Equal service, equal training.
 
phoenix80 said:
"It seems that at last the Army has woken up to the fact that women are different - something blatantly obvious to anyone," he added.

I love the way the British point out the obvious in such an honest fashion. I would serve under this guy anytime. :D
 
All military training for women will now take place in a shopping mall, and hopefully they will be combat fit at the end of their training. If not they will just complain that they have been discriminated against
 
I don't know what the big deal is with women soldiers. In AROTC here at my university, the females run the same 2 mile ruck runs that us guys do, along with everything else we do. They don't have any problem with it, so I don't see what the big deal is.
 
running 2miles is a lot different from the many physical exercises undertaken. sure, its endurance, but its no match fro brute strength

i know of all the equal rights, but why would you have women in combat positions if they are not able to match it with the others. you dont send a physically inferior force into battle, you want them to be harder and tough than the bad guys.
 
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*SNORT* yep we're *scratches self* definitely too *belch* rough for women by *spit* gawd.
 
Now who was it, that demanded that they be treated the same as the men, if they join a unit will it just be of the Amazons or will they serve along side the men. If they are to serve with the men wont the same problem crop again, and then all moans will start again.
 
Hey, in CAP, at our encampment, the girls beat the guys hands down in the mile run ,the o-course, the early morning mile run at 0600, AND PT every morning and night. We females did not complain so much about the heat or the work, or the exercise or training. The guys were complaining and whining the entire week
 
It is Civil Air Patrol-Official Auxiliary of the USAF. Encampment is a week long leadership training activity. We ran every morning at 0600, and had PT every night besides. You never once caught the females complaining, we had to do the same stuff as the guys. frequently we did more than they did. When we ran o-course, the guys were complaining about how much their hands and arms hurt by the end of the first obstacle. The girls just kept working. Example number two. My cousin chris is in the marines. He told me that the girls in his unit, they were tougher than most of the guys.
 
youngCAPcadet said:
It is Civil Air Patrol-Official Auxiliary of the USAF. Encampment is a week long leadership training activity. We ran every morning at 0600, and had PT every night besides. You never once caught the females complaining, we had to do the same stuff as the guys. frequently we did more than they did. When we ran o-course, the guys were complaining about how much their hands and arms hurt by the end of the first obstacle. The girls just kept working. Example number two. My cousin chris is in the marines. He told me that the girls in his unit, they were tougher than most of the guys.
Out of curiousity, how old were these folks at your week long encampment? Are you basically high school aged (13 -18y.o.) or what?
Additionally, what unit does your cousin belong to? I would really like to find out more about that Marine unit.
 
DTop said:
Additionally, what unit does your cousin belong to? I would really like to find out more about that Marine unit.

I'd really enjoy finding that out myself Top.
 
I don't care. I understand that women are naturally weaker than men, and that's why they have a lower level they have to meet in the service. But by God they scream for equality, right till we give it to 'em and they learn first hand every reason we kept them from it in the first place. They want to join just like a man, fine, But make them train just like one too.
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They should treat everyone exactly the same when it comes to the military- and I don't say this for the sake of "womens rights", I say this for the effectiveness of a fighting force. You don't want an entirely weaker section of your army, who wouldn't be allowed to even sign up if they were male and of the same level of fitness. If they can't handle the requirements, then don't let them join. Everyone should have the same standards that are needed, so if a woman is good enough, she can get in.

Sure, it'll mean some women can't get in, but some guys can't either, and the purpose of the military is not to make everyone feel special, it's to defend its country and kick some ass.
 
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