Marines in WW II
Marines are tougher than the Army. 
Anyway, there were some Marines in Europe. Most likely to teach the Army for train on Higgins boats for June 6th, 1944, D-Day. Also, Some marines were part of the Operation Overlord for snipers from the ship to cover the US Army on the beach from German machine gunners. I heard.
And a lot of the US Navy were in the pacific theaters and Marines were under command of the Admiral Nimitz, I think. So, the Navy needs the infantry to attack the Japs island, such as Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Saipan, Guadacanel, and more but Philipines as General MacArthur's promise to return. Of course, Marines are pretty well-trained and longer than the Army does. Japs were tougher than Germans, Italians. lol I hope you understand my explain. Please correct me if I'm mistake.
Anyway, there were some Marines in Europe. Most likely to teach the Army for train on Higgins boats for June 6th, 1944, D-Day. Also, Some marines were part of the Operation Overlord for snipers from the ship to cover the US Army on the beach from German machine gunners. I heard.And a lot of the US Navy were in the pacific theaters and Marines were under command of the Admiral Nimitz, I think. So, the Navy needs the infantry to attack the Japs island, such as Tarawa, Iwo Jima, Saipan, Guadacanel, and more but Philipines as General MacArthur's promise to return. Of course, Marines are pretty well-trained and longer than the Army does. Japs were tougher than Germans, Italians. lol I hope you understand my explain. Please correct me if I'm mistake.
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Wheezcellbert
Active member
Marines were under Admiral Nimitz who controlled the Pacific Theater and Nimitz being the man he is (great man) didn't want to send the Marines over to Europe because he knew they could do there job but that he needed them all.
redcoat
Active member
There are a number of reasons that the US Marines weren't used in the D-Day landings.
There's the fact that even in the Pacific, the largest landings were also done by the Army, the US Marine units were used for the smaller islands.
The USN was the junior partner in the D-Day landings, US warships only made up 16% of the total number of warships present.
US Marine units were light on armour compared with similar Army units, not helpful when facing panzers.
There's the fact that even in the Pacific, the largest landings were also done by the Army, the US Marine units were used for the smaller islands.
The USN was the junior partner in the D-Day landings, US warships only made up 16% of the total number of warships present.
US Marine units were light on armour compared with similar Army units, not helpful when facing panzers.
phoenix80
Banned
Thnx for the replies!
D-Day Normandy was June 6th. D-Day Saipan was June 15th.
Saipan was the first of the islands that Japan claimed as "home territory".
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/timeline.htm
The USMC was a small organization at the beginning of the war. The organization did expand and grow but never to the size of the US Army.
Also, as a former Marine myself, I tend to resent the idea that Marines are or were any tougher than US Army as individuals. American fighting men are American fighting men.
Where the USMC and the US Army differed (outside of the obvious TO%E) was that the USMC fighting SOP had to be much more aggressive than the US Army's due to the nasty nature of fighting a war where every battle starts with an amphibious landing on a confined and isolated geographical point where the enemy still has a presence in both air and naval power that can pose a real threat to the logistics tail of the force.
Battle islands had to be fought with such violent force because time was always of the essence and for every day the battle lasted, the fleet was in danger due to having to remain in a position of potential exposure to subsurface, surface or air attack.
Two cases bear this out.
1. Guadalcannal - the US Navy took a beating while supporting the operation.
2. Okinawa - largest US Navy casualty producing battle of the war. The Navy was taking such a horrendous pounding from the kamakazi attacks that it was seriously discussed whether the operation should be halted, the USMC and US Army forces pulled back onto the ships and the fleet sail away to safety.
It's common habit to laugh at the Japanese suicide attacks now days but at that time, there was real fear that the Navy force at Okinawa would be largely destroyed and the US forces on the ground be left to their own ends.
Saipan was the first of the islands that Japan claimed as "home territory".
http://www.historyplace.com/unitedstates/pacificwar/timeline.htm
The USMC was a small organization at the beginning of the war. The organization did expand and grow but never to the size of the US Army.
Also, as a former Marine myself, I tend to resent the idea that Marines are or were any tougher than US Army as individuals. American fighting men are American fighting men.
Where the USMC and the US Army differed (outside of the obvious TO%E) was that the USMC fighting SOP had to be much more aggressive than the US Army's due to the nasty nature of fighting a war where every battle starts with an amphibious landing on a confined and isolated geographical point where the enemy still has a presence in both air and naval power that can pose a real threat to the logistics tail of the force.
Battle islands had to be fought with such violent force because time was always of the essence and for every day the battle lasted, the fleet was in danger due to having to remain in a position of potential exposure to subsurface, surface or air attack.
Two cases bear this out.
1. Guadalcannal - the US Navy took a beating while supporting the operation.
2. Okinawa - largest US Navy casualty producing battle of the war. The Navy was taking such a horrendous pounding from the kamakazi attacks that it was seriously discussed whether the operation should be halted, the USMC and US Army forces pulled back onto the ships and the fleet sail away to safety.
It's common habit to laugh at the Japanese suicide attacks now days but at that time, there was real fear that the Navy force at Okinawa would be largely destroyed and the US forces on the ground be left to their own ends.
bulldogg
Milforum's Bouncer
My grandpa was in the Army in the Pacific and one very telling comment he made once while telling me a story was about the real danger posed by the Japanese even when they were losing a battle and later when it was obvious they were losing the war.
"WE were fighting to stay alive. The Japs were fighting to die. Its a miracle we defeated an enemy who did not fear death but welcomed it."
Kamikaze strikes, insane battlefield charges, sticking it out in a position in the face of withering fire... the tenacity of the Japanese is something that still gives me pause when reading 60 years on. I'd give my left nut to field an entire Army, today, of men like this. TWAT would be but a rough 6 months. Release the hounds. We have units with this mentallity but they are restrained by ROEs and b******t political exigencies.
Massacres be damned this is war. When the politicians decide to initiate hostilities they need to let go the reins and reap both the consequences and the benefits. It is treasonous to do otherwise... ask a man to go to war with an arm tied behind his back.
Looking at TWAT today one thing is painfully clear- we learned NO lessons from Vietnam.
"WE were fighting to stay alive. The Japs were fighting to die. Its a miracle we defeated an enemy who did not fear death but welcomed it."
Kamikaze strikes, insane battlefield charges, sticking it out in a position in the face of withering fire... the tenacity of the Japanese is something that still gives me pause when reading 60 years on. I'd give my left nut to field an entire Army, today, of men like this. TWAT would be but a rough 6 months. Release the hounds. We have units with this mentallity but they are restrained by ROEs and b******t political exigencies.
Massacres be damned this is war. When the politicians decide to initiate hostilities they need to let go the reins and reap both the consequences and the benefits. It is treasonous to do otherwise... ask a man to go to war with an arm tied behind his back.
Looking at TWAT today one thing is painfully clear- we learned NO lessons from Vietnam.
phoenix80
Banned
I am with you on that!
I believe American soldiers are dying in Iraq for being just too-good to their enemies.
phoenix80
Banned
Were they all in Pacific or Med then?
tomtom22
Chief Engineer
Why don't you do some research on your own?
Try these sites for a start:
http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsCarriers.htm
http://www.historyofwaronline.com/WW2-3.html\
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cv7.htm
http://www.hazegray.org/danfs/carriers/cv4.htm
Gator
U of B and B Alumnus
General MacArthur (Army) was Supreme Allied Commander of the Southwest Pacific Theater.
General MacArthur was also put in charge of the Invasion of Japan (not needed) and took the formal Japanese Surrender in World War II.
Carriers were needed in the Pacific, Carriers were hard to come by in the early days of the War, and the Atlantic Ocean is not as big as the Pacific Ocean.
America had something better than an Aircraft Carrier in Europe, America had England to launch heavy Bombers from, all day long. The Smaller Escort Carrier was used in the Atlantic, one such Ship being the USS Guadalcanal, serving Anti-submarine Duty in the Atlantic.
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03USMC
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Lets get it straight. There were no USMC combat formations in the ETO. Reasons being...Plan Orange a pre-war plan to deal with Japans expansion in the Pacific was a Navy/Marine plan,and FDR, Marshall etc placed more value on the ETO early in the war. The Army was able to bring more man-power to bear in 41-42 as the Marine Corps did not have Division level formations until 41.
There were Marines in the ETO. Ships detachment's on battleships and cruisers,MSG dets and several hundred assigned to the OSS Jedburg TEAMS.:drill:
There were Marines in the ETO. Ships detachment's on battleships and cruisers,MSG dets and several hundred assigned to the OSS Jedburg TEAMS.:drill:
