Marine Killing - Page 5




 
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November 23rd, 2004  
Brotchador
 
 
Posted this before but i think it got deleted, I think was purely a judgement call, we were not there and its easy to judge or comment from hindsight, did any of you guys see the Iraqi raise his hands in surrender? raising your hands is universally known as an act of surrender right? you don't even have to say a single word and you can presume that the other guy knows what you mean. and besides, what was he doing in there anyway? he was right inside a warzone! operations were going on for days, he was either a combatant or at least a supporter of the terrorist.
November 23rd, 2004  
bonnieblue716
 
 
I've already spoken my peace on this topic, though I think we should make a topic about wether we should even take EPOWs. Like for example at the begining of OIF2 when a lot of the Iraqi soliders were surrending, you know we couldn't process all of those, what did we do. We took there weapons, FED them, gave them clothes, provided a shower, and let them go on there way after 24 hours, and now we are fighting them again. Don't read this wrong, I'm not suggesting that we shoot surrending soliders, what I'm suggesting, is not to process them in the first place. When fighting in close quarters in urban combat, why take EPOW's unless they're high value targets? It just increases the danger our troops are in, and puts a lot more pressure on MP's. Anyway that's a little off topic, but not really since a lot of civilans are bashing the Marine for not taking the insurgent prisoner.

Oh my main reson for posting again was to give the link to the video of the Marine killing, that I downloaded. This is the uncensored version, but it really isn't all that bad, in my opinon. Here's the link to view it online, but you can download it at datter.com
http://davidtitus.free.fr/video/fallujah_shooting.mov
November 23rd, 2004  
EuroSpike
 
"When fighting in close quarters in urban combat, why take EPOW's unless they're high value targets? It just increases the danger our troops are in, and puts a lot more pressure on MP's."

To be a human, not an uncivilized barbarian. Of course capturing an enemy soldier is always risky and causes more work for MPs and supply units.

"This is the uncensored version, but it really isn't all that bad, in my opinon."

Think about a situation where enemy would think the same way and shoot you like a dog.
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November 23rd, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
Yes you try to take EPW's. Operative word being try.

The hard cold truth of the matter is this, and I'm sorry if it dispells any noble or warm and fuzzy notions that anyone may have but..............

You and your fire team come first. If you have an inkling that the potential EPW presents a danger to you or your fellow Marines they become a target to be engaged and eliminated.

Welcome to the real world it ain't humane and it ain't pretty.
November 23rd, 2004  
Kane
 
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what I'm suggesting, is not to process them in the first place.
Then leave them be and continue on, whats the point of clearing out Fallujah then?
November 23rd, 2004  
EuroSpike
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
Yes you try to take EPW's. Operative word being try.

The hard cold truth of the matter is this, and I'm sorry if it dispells any noble or warm and fuzzy notions that anyone may have but..............

You and your fire team come first. If you have an inkling that the potential EPW presents a danger to you or your fellow Marines they become a target to be engaged and eliminated.

Welcome to the real world it ain't humane and it ain't pretty.
Unfortunately that is the hard cold fact in this world. Wars of gentlemen have disappeared if there even have ever been any. Taking POWs makes things too complex but killing unarmed broken and surrendering enemy soldier should be avoided _if possible_.
November 23rd, 2004  
Kane
 
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Taking POWs makes things too complex but killing unarmed broken and surrendering enemy soldier should be avoided _if possible_.
Actually, killing broken and surrendering enemy soldier also would makes things complex outside the battlefield.
November 23rd, 2004  
03USMC
 
 
We took plenty of prisoners in the first go round over there. They surrendered in droves. Yes it made logistics rough. We also had pseudo surrenders and yes we engaged when we felt threatened.

The crux of the problem is this. Will I wait to take fire or a grenade if I feel threatened by a wounded enemy.

No I will engage.
November 23rd, 2004  
Redneck
 
 
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Originally Posted by Kane
Actually, killing broken and surrendering enemy soldier also would makes things complex outside the battlefield.
What exactly made you come to the conclusion that the terrorist in the video was "surrendering?" From what I saw, the one who surrendered survived.
November 23rd, 2004  
Kane
 
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What exactly made you come to the conclusion that the terrorist in the video was "surrendering?" From what I saw, the one who surrendered survived.
First of all, I wasn't referring about the video. I was generalizing from history.

And also, when I meant "outside the battlefield" i literally meant outside the battlefield. In my opinion, there are two worlds, the battlefield and the outside world.