Some think up to 25% of crimes in the US are done with guns stolen from Cops. English with a different point of view than yours.
As many here know my views on firearm ownership
Capt Frogman
Brit Pack (Troop Commander)
Not that the link you've posted is biased or anything....
Tankboy
The Brit Pack
muscogeemike
Active member
Since most of the cops, especially in metro areas, are union members; and some of the other 75% of crimes must be committed by union members; could it be the US has a union crime problem?
Of course that is a silly question, unions and crime have always been synonymous.
I don’t personally like the idea of all firearms being in the hands of unions.
senojekips
Active member
Posts like this are a great indication of the seriously impaired mental capacity of some of the pro gun lobby.
To call your "logic" idiotic, would be a crime against the genuine idiots in our society.
muscogeemike
Active member
Lets see - it is perfectly acceptable to refer to supporters of the 2nd Amendment as gun nuts, red necks, illiterate, etc., etc.; but mention unions and things get personal fast!
Unless you were one of those peaceful union members we saw recently on TV (all I’m sure good Democrats and non-gun owners) or an extreme leftist who is personally threatened by anyone who owns a firearm - lighten up!
"Contempt is the emotion we feel towards an opponent whose arguments are too formidable to repute." Ambrose Bierce
Yossarian
Forum Resistance Leader
Bought time we target the root issue and not once again for our own sake an convenience target the wrong problem with the wrong solution.
I will never be okay , set or satisfied watching as this tragedy , this murder of children is hastily used as the burning of the Reichstag to pass laws already on the table before this incident.
That is every bit as immoral and abusive of our system of law making. And it has been done before the proof is already out there.
senojekips
Active member
Once again you display your amazing ignorance, or is it arrogance?
You say "Lighten up",..... well it's attitudes such as that, that are exactly what I'm trying to point out. You evidently think that the regular slaughtering of school children is not enough reason to take the subject seriously. To you it's a joke.???
Contempt is that which is deserved by fools who haven't got the brains to either realise what is happening, or be willing to do something about it.
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BritinBritain
Per Ardua Ad Astra
Cops in South Africa have been known to sell, loose or rent their issue firearms to criminals.
One link of many:-http://iluvsa.blogspot.com/2009/08/cop-selling-guns-to-criminals-in-police.html
I don't know what's worse.
Unions are synonymous, in many cases, with organized crime. The Unions are the fund raising arm of the Democratic Party & the SEIU seems to be becoming the Democratic Party's version of the SA.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Have you lot been taking drugs over the new years break?
So far you have rattled through socialists, liberals, democrats, unions, cops and a host of completely unrelated dodgy nonsense so I guess if we let you go on long enough you may eventually reach the conclusion that the reason you lot have the highest crime/death/suicide rate using firearms is that you simply have too many firearms.
Fortunately for you though it has been a week so the shootings have been forgotten and replaced by the latest episode of either the Kardashians getting pregnant, Paris Hilton sex tapes or a Lohan getting drunk and driving a car through an orphanage.
See ya at the next shoot out where the same crap can be regurgitated all over again and you can be shocked, surprised and saddened and the rest of the world can point and laugh at the retards.
So far you have rattled through socialists, liberals, democrats, unions, cops and a host of completely unrelated dodgy nonsense so I guess if we let you go on long enough you may eventually reach the conclusion that the reason you lot have the highest crime/death/suicide rate using firearms is that you simply have too many firearms.
Fortunately for you though it has been a week so the shootings have been forgotten and replaced by the latest episode of either the Kardashians getting pregnant, Paris Hilton sex tapes or a Lohan getting drunk and driving a car through an orphanage.
See ya at the next shoot out where the same crap can be regurgitated all over again and you can be shocked, surprised and saddened and the rest of the world can point and laugh at the retards.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Yeah they did and a few schools seem to have heeded the advice with a remarkable set of results...
Security guard leaves gun unattended in restroom at Lapeer charter school
By Blake Thorne | bthorne1@mlive.com
on January 16, 2013 at 6:15 PM
Lapeer, MI -- A security officer at a Lapeer charter school left a firearm unattended in a school bathroom on Monday, Jan. 14, a school official said.
The Chatfield School in Lapeer. Lauren Justice | MLive.com
The security officer "made a breach in security protocol" and left an unloaded weapon in a restroom "for a few moments," said Chatfield School Director Matt Young. Young said the school has been in contact with local authorities about the matter and wouldn't discuss any possible repercussion for the officer, calling it "a personnel matter." Young also declined to name the security officer.
"The school has put additional security procedures in place that follow local law enforcement practices and guidelines," Young said in a statement. "At no time was any student involved in this breach of protocol. We will continue to work on improving school security."
Young stressed that no children were exposed to the handgun or put in danger, and declined to comment more on specifics of the incident.
The school recently hired the officer, who is retired from the Lapeer County Sheriff's Office, as a means to bolster school security. The effort had recently received attention in Lapeer and Genesee county media outlets.
Chatfield is a charter school that serves grades K-8 and has been open since 1997, according to the school's website.
Lapeer resident Tris Fritz, who has children in third and fifth grade at the school, called the incident a big mistake. "I think that some kid might not think it's a real gun. They might think it's a toy. They're going to be curious, that's the nature of a child."
"I know people are human and they make mistakes," Fritz added. "That's kind of a big mistake."
Parent Cindy Fliedner, who has two children in third grade at Chatfield, said the incident has not changed her view that bringing in the officer was a great idea.
"We're just going to have to refine our procedures," Fliedner said. "I'm thrilled that the board at Chatfield was proactive to take the steps to protect our children."
"I'm so thankful they're not just sticking their heads in the sand," she added.
Lapeer County Prosecutor Byron Konschuh said since nobody was harmed, the incident likely would not constitute a criminal charge.
"If you left a gun unattended and a toddler finds it and shoots and hurts someone, it could be some kind of reckless use of a firearm," Konschuh said.
Since that did not happen, it's likely no criminal act was committed, Konschuh added.
"It's almost like no harm no foul."
http://www.mlive.com/news/flint/index.ssf/2013/01/security_guard_leaves_gun_unat.html
LeEnfield
Active member
Now the Royal Family have been attacked by the IRA and the some sections of the IRA are still active, are you saying that they should not have an armed guard. Now we have never had a PM shot, mind you I have felt like doing it my self at times, but with all the nutters floating around these days I feel that this is reasonable. Mind you I get more worried about some of the Police Officer that are allowed to carry fire arms.
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
There is no reason why "genuine targets" should not be protected but the reality is that neither you nor I are on any ones radar for assassination at best we may be targets of opportunity for some idiot looking to get himself killed.
The problem here is one of "cause and effect" someone gets shot so you arm people then criminals arm themselves further so on and so forth until you are living in a society that is too afraid to do anything for fear that the other guy may be better armed and lets face it the bad guy is always going to get the first move because the good guys are for the most part not looking for trouble.
Is this the world we should be promoting, sure it is a wet dream for the likes of the NRA as it sells guns and they are the arms industries marketing department but is it what we want for following generations.
I am as pro-gun as you can get I have collected them since I was 15 (legal age for a firearms license here) but I believe that they are dangerous and can not be available to the public uncontrolled, the key is finding a balance.
The problem here is one of "cause and effect" someone gets shot so you arm people then criminals arm themselves further so on and so forth until you are living in a society that is too afraid to do anything for fear that the other guy may be better armed and lets face it the bad guy is always going to get the first move because the good guys are for the most part not looking for trouble.
Is this the world we should be promoting, sure it is a wet dream for the likes of the NRA as it sells guns and they are the arms industries marketing department but is it what we want for following generations.
I am as pro-gun as you can get I have collected them since I was 15 (legal age for a firearms license here) but I believe that they are dangerous and can not be available to the public uncontrolled, the key is finding a balance.
84RFK
Active member
We have rather strict "gun-laws" here, not that it seems to be a problem for criminals to obtain whatever they want, but we also have a relaxed attitude towards guns.
Most people have a father or an uncle who goes hunting or target shooting.
Unknown to most people here is the fact that the State Bank kept firearms for protection against armed robbery at least up till the WW II and possibly even a few years after!
Only reason I know is beccause I was told by the chap who was tasked with trading off those weapons in the late -50's.
Every clerk in every counter in those banks had a handgun in a drawer (mostly Webley .455 or .32ACP's made in Spain or Belgium) but after the war it was deemed "unnessecary due to the fact that nobody had ever tried to rob those banks" :roll:
Most people have a father or an uncle who goes hunting or target shooting.
Unknown to most people here is the fact that the State Bank kept firearms for protection against armed robbery at least up till the WW II and possibly even a few years after!
Only reason I know is beccause I was told by the chap who was tasked with trading off those weapons in the late -50's.
Every clerk in every counter in those banks had a handgun in a drawer (mostly Webley .455 or .32ACP's made in Spain or Belgium) but after the war it was deemed "unnessecary due to the fact that nobody had ever tried to rob those banks" :roll:
BritinBritain
Per Ardua Ad Astra
Guns are not dangerous, they wont suddenly jump up and start shooting people on their own. its the idiots who handle them carelessly or negligently that are dangerous and of course criminals who've got their grubby little hands on them.
Shooting is also a brilliant sport that requires a great deal of skill, its also a sport where physically handicapped can compete with the able bodied on equal terms.
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MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
So are cars they don't just start driving around on their own crashing into things either but we just let people on the street use them without restriction.
BritinBritain
Per Ardua Ad Astra
And like guns, cars are not dangerous until someone gets their hands on them and abuses them.:sarc:
Despite the restrictions placed on motor vehicles, do those restrictions prevent drinking and driving, or speeding, or driving dangerously or a million and one others crimes committed by drivers killing innocent people? I'd hazard a guess and say no.
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MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Do murder laws stop people murdering if not should we do away with them?
Just reading about another shooting in Alberquerque, five bodies found. A teenager is the main suspect.
No really I am shocked, don't know how such a thing could happen, so who was interfering with his constitutional rights by getting in the way of the bullets?
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