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John Carlin, the author of the book "Playing the Enemy," on which the film "Invictus" was based, reveals what it was like to know and cover Nelson Mandela.
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It worked for Obama....He never won the Nobel Peace Prize for no reason.
A typical one eyed US Republican's answer, unfortunately most of the civilised world would disagree with you.It worked for Obama....
This was written by Dr. Peter Hammond who knew and met Mandela many times.
Mandela was offered an early release if he would stop the violence in South Africa, he refused.
I am not condoning apartheid, by any means, Mandela wasn't the saint he has so often been made out to be.
He was a man who rightfully wanted an end to Apartheid, and would not accept personal freedom to sell his dream down the river.I agree with this, it has been the one thing that has directed my view of Mandela through out the years, he was offered his freedom in return for renouncing violence and wouldn't do it.
Based on that I find the argument that he was a man that wanted a peaceful solution to apartheid somewhat hard to take.
He was a man who rightfully wanted an end to Apartheid, and would not accept personal freedom to sell his dream down the river.
It's called having some moral backbone. I'd like to think that placed in his time and position I'd have what it takes to do the same.
Here again we see a great similarity to the Palestine/Israel thing. The Palestinians won't accept a "peaceful solution", because to do so would mean they give up all they are entitled to.
Yes I get your point, as with the Israelis, the South Africans wanted him to renounce violence while they continued with their oppression. Do you honestly believe that the south Africans would have given full recognition to the non whites? Just based on their previous history, I'm damned sure I don't.
Why should the Palestinians give up that which is rightfully theirs just so the Israelis can have it all their own way and live on the spoils of their criminality in peace. That's not an agreement, that is a travesty of justice, an abandonment of human morality and all legal principles.
You can't honestly say that in view of all the reading you have done on the matter of previous Israeli "Agreements" that you believe that the Palestinians would be allowed to have a workable State. Any resulting Palestinian state would be completely unworkable, and only at best be an Israeli puppet, it couldn't be any other way with Israel controlling virtually all of their economically viable land. and having wrecked and dismantled all of their infrastructure, isolating their towns and diverting their water supplies, etc., etc......
"For extraordinary efforts to strenthen int. diplomacy and cooperation between peoples". What a crock of sh*t! He was nominated 2 weeks after taking Office. His accomplishments @ that point was being the 1st black to be elected President & giving Liberals around the World a thrill. Compared to Mandela & other winners who were jailed for lenthy periods Obama "winning" is a pathetic farce.A typical one eyed US Republican's answer, unfortunately most of the civilised world would disagree with you.
Obama has done more for the US world credibility than anyone since JFK, and, yeah, I know, he was no angel either. It's all relative.
S.A. has apparently has done better than Rhodesia/Zimbabwe has done with Mugabe running things. Of course the Libs ignore that large numbers of sub-Saharan blacks fled to, not from, S.A. for better economic opportunity & may have been safer under the "opressive" whites than under their own black govts back home.You throw the reins to a group who've had precisely no experience in running a country except having been subjected to all that was worst in the Apartheid regime, and expect the country not to fall into chaos?
S.A. has apparently has done better than Rhodesia/Zimbabwe has done with Mugabe running things. Of course the Libs ignore that large numbers of sub-Saharan blacks fled to, not from, S.A. for better economic opportunity & may have been safer under the "opressive" whites than under their own black govts back home.
Not everything shows up on Google. There was an article that was contemporary to the events talking about how black oppession in a number of Countries was ignored in favor of bashing S.A. becuse it was White run vs equal or worse in a number of black run States. I recall Equitorial Guinea(if I remember right) killed or ran off a 1/4 of their population. Kinda like Cambodia with out the P.R. You never hear Jessie Jackson, Al Sharton, and other black "leaders" commenting on that. Was also some numbers presented on immigrants moving to S.A.Generally you are correct, but I'd like to know where you got the info that, "sub-Saharan blacks fled to S.A." as I can't find any mention of it on the internet.
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