A Makeover for Islam - Page 3




 
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Boots
 
December 11th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I think there was a poll or something on TIME Magazine... said that 2/3rds of the Muslim world in general thought the attack on 9/11 was wrong. That leaves 1/3rd.
December 12th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
That 1/3 is a big problem. What is good about an action that directly led to the USA coming over and, right or wrong, giving the Muslim World a sound beating and substantially altering things there. One article I read while Afganistan was the biggest thing going on interviewed people in Pakistan. The general consensus by the more educated people in Pakistan was that it was all about the poorer, less educated people being gullible. I'm in absolutely no positon to know enough to say whether this is true or not. Obviously, we've found that many Fundamentalist Organizations are at least partly filled of some pretty smart, educated people.

Here's something recent. A Texas court found a fundraising Muslim Organization guilty of funding Hamas -- in this case, the parents of an American young man sued them for financially aiding the organization that murdered their son while he was in the Israel. The parents were awarded $50 million or something close to it (don't have that newspaper in front of me at the moment.) These sorts of organizations need to clean up their act -- bigtime.
December 12th, 2004  
rocco
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kane
It is inappropriate to judge upon another religion and believing that Islam needs a "Make-over". Inappropriate to whom? To every Muslim in this world.
lol even muslims who live in western countries, who have Actually assimilated think like this.
find me a single muslim country that is democratic. and dont give me this bs 2 party vote where you either vote for one or die.

god of thunder... sad thing is that there is more than 1/3. its simple. these people sympathise. for them 9/11 is no loss... nither is any other terror attack. and polls are never right...
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Boots
December 12th, 2004  
rocco
 
Quote:
and polls are never right...
what i mean is this... if we all took a poll on this forum.
which stated:

"Do you think it is wrong for USA to kill Iraqi's"

we would most likely vote yes.

if you word it more specific. say if US being attacked by iraqi's, then we would vote no.

same thing... sure 2/3 may think 9/11 is wrong (prooves how these people think, 1/3 is an abomination) but change the wording of the poll, and it would be more than 1/3.
December 12th, 2004  
kotakk
 
 
One kind of fundamentalism only leads to the birth of another.
Keeping that in mind nothing can be done.A majority of the muslim nations are Anti-Everybody.
I mean nothing can be done.
December 12th, 2004  
SwordFish_13
 
 
Hi,

My Personal Opinion on the discussion on hand :

I wouldn’t go into what should be changed in Islam ..because coming form a non-muslim country my view could be a little biased at times about them on some things ……….. there would be things that might seem atrocious to me about them and those very things could seem natural to a person coming form a Muslim country.

When a person form Christian or a Hindu or a Sikh or any other faith takes up Arms and kills innocent people we don’t consider him/her a Christian terrorist or a Hindu terrorist respectively ………….but when a Muslim takes up arms he is considered or referred to as a Islamic terrorist or a Muslim terrorist…………..reason for that being there is a notion of a Islamic Brotherhood among most of the Muslim no matter where he lives he/she likes to believe and support a collective Muslim cause ………….that sends out a wrong signal to the other person

Like My religion Comes later ..... I am a Indian first …………and my religious Books and faith are one thing but I am governed by my Constitution not my religious books………….but most of the Muslims around have a notion of One Muslim Brotherhood stretching across boundaries………….and they like to see them rules by sharia the Islamic Law ………..i would like to quote some Islamic Cleric who was ones Interviewed and asked what do you conceived the Supreme the Indian Constitution or the Sharia …….he said “Sharia” ……….second question then who do you accept the Indian Constitution …….he answered “because the constitution obliges to the Sharia “ …………..this is a defining thing to me ………….. this too much involvement of religion .

THE GROUP IDENTITY ……………..this makes people Suspicious about them …………….same was the thing about Soviets a Group Identity and a father nation

All collectively think all the Non – Islamic Countries are after to destroy their religion …….and non-religious conflicts are turned into Islam VS the other

When I referred to Muslims or Islam I am talking in general that dosen’t inclue each and every person for the religion .

Not to mention the there are no real Secular democracies in Muslim world ( as they call it the Muslim world)……………and poverty and Illiteracy is not helping things a little bit either


Peace
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December 12th, 2004  
kotakk
 
 
Have you seen that movie HBO made about the bombing of the twin towers.It was quite alarming was it not.
December 12th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
Cant everybody just give up?

All western countrys can just convert or die, that would solve the problem ones and for all. Make Sharia our law? Why not? Toss everything that is the Europeandream or americandream straight to hell? Why not? There would probably not be any innocent victims if we all embraced Islam with Sharia as the law and as the worlds geostrategic solution nr 1.

And then everybody would be happy? Would we not? Whats wrong with Islam? I dont know anything that is wrong with Islam. Why change something that is so nice and tolerant? There would be democracy would it not? There would be gay marriages would it not? And the women would have director posts and equal wages as the men would they not? And we could listen to Metalica and the media would have free hands to show all scandals amongs the Imans would they not?

I think a world ruled by Islam would be a perfect spot. Yes I think it would be a very positive trend. Islam is a nice religion it is not at all a dangerous religion, all people are nice, there are no terrorists we are the terrorists, because we are just infidels we can die.

Everything on TV that may show a bad side of Islam are just lies there is nothing behind those pictures, and candidates for the Nobel Prize, such as V.S. NAIPAUL author of the book Beyond Belief, he just hate Islam and muslims and dont know what the heck he is writing or talking about, He is probably a professor in Hate today, just look at his eyes -brown- full of shit, dont even think they get the price because there is some truth in their books.

And people like Salman Rushdie and his book The Satanic Verses are just evil lies and thats why he got a death sentence over his head in Iran. Nice people! yes, there are no fundamentalists or terrorists the whole thing is just a group thing

Ta Ta:
Doc.S
December 12th, 2004  
SwordFish_13
 
 
Hi,

Quote:
All western countrys can just convert or die, that would solve the problem ones and for all. Make Sharia our law? Why not? Toss everything that is the Europeandream or americandream straight to h**l? Why not? There would probably not be any innocent victims if we all embraced Islam with Sharia as the law and as the worlds geostrategic solution nr 1.

And then everybody would be happy? Would we not? Whats wrong with Islam? I dont know anything that is wrong with Islam. Why change something that is so nice and tolerant? There would be democracy would it not? There would be gay marriages would it not? And the women would have director posts and equal wages as the men would they not? And we could listen to Metalica and the media would have free hands to show all scandals amongs the Imans would they not?
You are just babbling here aren’t you

Fist of all converting wouldn’t help there are too many Conflicts within Muslims……….. Shia –Sunni is one………. there are many more . and looking at conflict among Muslim countries not a good option at all

Libya- Egypt
Egypt - The Yemen (including use of poison gas)
PALIS - Jordan
Jordan - Syria
Iraq-Iran
Libya-Chad
Syria invading Lebanon

I know you weere Scarsectic when yu said that but still

It’s not just the Westerns they are after ………..India has been on receiving side of this Islamic terrorism long before this so called War on terror started.

Quote:
I think a world ruled by Islam would be a perfect spot. Yes I think it would be a very positive trend. Islam is a nice religion it is not at all a dangerous religion, all people are nice, there are no terrorists we are the terrorists, because we are just infidels we can die.
It’s as good or as Bad a religion as any other in the world .....

Nope there are no other terrorist other than a Muslim right ? it’s only the Muslims that are terrorists isen’t it ? we remove them and world would be all peaceful and happy and proseperous ?

Islam is not a bad religion it’s the people who have made it bad …………From what I have studied so far it is as peaceful as Christianity or Hinduism or most of the other religions ………….It’s just the interpretation these terrorists make to suit themselves…………..and that conversion thing of yours reminds me of Christian Crusaders ? ……………this holier than thou attitude doesn’t help.

I think you got me wrong………….i will give you a example of what I am trying to say …………….. when the Iranian Mullah declared fatwa a death sentence ( fatwa as it is called) over Mr Salman Rushdie head ………….it automatically became every Muslim’s Duty to kill him .

They have this Group Identity thingy …………..thas why no matter where they think their Muslim brothers are being so called tarchured it becomes every Muslims right to help them …………..Look at Kashmir Terrorists form Various Muslim countries come there to fight( people form Iran , Saudi Arabia , Pakistan) ……….even though it’s not their fight it’s this GROUP IDENTITY that drags them everywhere ……it’s just fed into them It’s every Muslims right to protect other Muslims around the world form so called non-Islamic barbarians ..........this in my openion is i think the major problem with Islam ? ............there are a few Fundamentists in every religion .? so fundamentalism would be a bit lower in my list .

These very terrorists were once Fighting the Saddam Hussein regime before his fall because they considered him un-Islamic as he formed a some kind of Secular Socialist Military Dictatorship in Iraq and that’s against the Islamic believes ………..and now those very terrorists are fighting against the Coalition forces in Iraq …………these people don’t need enemies to fight ……they just make their own enemies islam VS anything they can find …..……when this will be over in Iraq they will move over to some other place to fight their jihad ………they will just move over to Kashmir or Chechnya or anywhere .

ok now i am babbling so i would stop. :P

The Topic was A Makeover for Islam so I gave my point of view of what I think is wrong in the religion ? . There is no unanimous 'Muslim interest' …….Like these people try to prove there is …………..

Average Muslims are the same as any other people- they look for jobs and a secure and prosperous life....

Peace
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