Originally Posted by FutureRANGER

I remember reading somewhere that during WWII the British made tea in their tanks from the heat coming out of somwhere and the Americans brewed beer in their tanks.

Ah yes, the Brits and their tea.

Fifteen years ago some British yacht owners held a 'tea bag launcher' contest. The tea-drinker's olympics was held to air a crying need for new ways to get used tea bags away from the sides of their clean white yachts so they wouldn't come floating back and stain the hulls. [No, British tea bag litter cops were not called 'Bobbies' because of that]. Anyways, variouis contestants offered their official entries, and the olympics were held, and a winner was declared. Amazingly, the thing worked. The contraption consisted of a spring-loaded plunger in a plastic pvc tube, and a double-action trigger. You put the soggy used tea bag into the breech (it might have been a muzzle-loader; it's been 15 years since I read the article and details are fuzzy now), close it, and pull the trigger once, which slams the plunger against the internal forward stop and squeezes the tea bag dry, then you squeeze the trigger the rest of the way, releasing the internal stop and propelling the offending object into the bay (preferably away from nearby yachts--so as not to make enemies out of one's fellow brother or sister yacht owners, thereby risking starting a war). This amazing -and real- invention was known as the 'gornaway tea bag gun'. And now you have somothing 'new and useful' to add to your arsenal, courtesy of the Brits.

PS - I'm not a Brit myself, I'm an American.

Hope this helps.

Geez, calm down, John Arthur. I was pointing out all the stuuf the A2 SEP has. Relax. I wasn't busting on you for not being a tanker.

I I have no idea where your luger-lager thing came from. I never said anything about jerrycans, lager, or anything like that. Re-read my post.

I think the abrams is probably the overall best, but the challenger 2 is the best protected nato tank, its armour is twice as thick as the abrams and it uses a better verison on cobram (you can argue against all this, im no expert on tanks and i have a poor memory,so that infomation may be wrong, apart from about it being the best protected nato tank).

Actually, I beg to differ. The M1A2 SEP is the better armored tank. Look at the date of your source. It's probably prior to 2000. And there is no way you could have ..."twice as thick"... armor.

More Armor= Heavier= less mobility. Germans found that out with the Maus and the Elefant.

Being a Tank Commander for most of my career, I've learned at least one thing about Tank Survivability: It's not just about being able to take a hit, it's about being able to get out of a fight just as fast as you got into one.

And it's Chobham, not cobram. Sorry, pet peeve.

A. I never claimed i could spell, or that being well armourd is the only thing that counts.
B. The challenger is a slow tank, 59kph on a road, 40 acros country, and im nto sure about "twice as thick", it is thicker thou, and its probably on par or better than abrams armour pound for pound (i could be wrong).
C. The British army only got its full consinement of challenger 2s in 2002, its a new tank.

I did find a very interesting site about militery hardware thou - http://www.army-technology.com/projects/index.html

2002, huh? When I was at Master Gunner school back in 2000, one of our instructors was a British SGM. He had already been on and manuevered a CH 2. He said the consensus amoung the Brit Tankers was that it was junk. I got to play around with some Brit tankers in Osnabruck, Germany. They concurred. They (the guys that had been on the CH 2) had a laundry list of things that they didn't like, first and foremost being the thermals. (Mounted on the MANTLET, of all things...grat for reducing parallax, but moronic for protecting a sensitive thermal sight from the shock of recoil.) The Brits might have gotten completely fielded with the CH 2 in 2002, but it's been around longer than that.

People think that the M1A2 SEP is THE only M1A2... not true. Same with the M1A1...comes in many different flavors: M1IP, M1E1, M1A1, M1A1 HC, M1A1 AMES, etc...

Be civil everyone. I still think the best in crew protection is the Merkava MkIV

I concede to Sherman. The Merk is the best.

Happy?

Overjoyed Sir!

T90 have the best armour and have very big turret caliber, can fire AT-11 and dont cost alot