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Boots
 
January 25th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 

Topic: Re: yep yep


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Originally Posted by Anya1982
hear hear redneck
Wait wait wait, that's what I've been saying this whole time!
January 25th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chewie_nz
i would think that morals and values would be a personal thing. when the govt legislates it you start to have problems.
not everyone in the US has the same belief structure as Bush.

mainly i am talking about sex Ed in schools, abortions & same sex unions here.

Apparently the majority of the voting public felt that way.He was reelected.
January 25th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by 03USMC
Apparently the majority of the voting public felt that way.He was reelected.
If you look at the real data you'll see that the morals&values is quite overstated. I think it mostly came down to the fact that Kerry couldn't market himself, he was a slimey politician and the majority of Americans where willing to forgive Bush for his mistakes rather than replace him with a sleeze ball.
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January 25th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
Hmmm I don't know. I think one of the reasons that Kerry couldn't really "market" himself was because he had to appease the crowd making all the noise for the Democrats while not losing touch with the American public as a whole. I think he was smart enough to realize that it wasn't possible.
January 25th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
The Democratic Party as it stands now does not share the values of main stream Middle America. They champion causes that the average american does not find important in the grand scheme of things. They Pander to the far left elite in what ever Cause of the minute they are mewling about.

It's not only Kerry it's his party as a whole they have lost touch with the people who vote.
January 25th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
Well the more important statistic to me is that out of the people who voted for kerry only 30% of them voted for Kerry because they liked the guy, the other 70% voted for him only because they didn't like Bush. That tells me that Kerry convinced NOBODY that he was the right guy for the job.

Morals and values don't matter so much, all the Democrats really had to do was put just a marginally better candidate up there or use some slightly better tactics to sway just 1.5% and they would have won.

What really clinched the election was how the Republicans played the gay marriage issue. The whole thing was politics, Bush already said he dropped the dopey ammendment, he never had any intention of doing it. But tactically it was brilliant because the democrats played right into the trap by looking like they supported gay marriage. By the time they had realized their blunder the conservative base of the Republican party was already fueled with that impetus to vote. If the Dems. hadn't fallen for the skilled ambush I really think they would have won.
January 26th, 2005  
03USMC
 
 
I'll agree the Gay Marriage issue was a play on both sides. But anyone who truely believed ethier side would implement it into legislation needs to clean their rose color glasses.

I feel the real issue for middle of the road voters was lack of a solid platform. The Dems could not pick one and stick to it. You could almost see it every time they held a press conference that told the public what they thought they wanted to hear.
January 26th, 2005  
Whispering Death
 
 
Yeah, I liked how the talking heads would say things like, "well it seems like Bush's attacks are sticking more than Kerry's attack ads are, it's really unfair" and all I was sitting there thinking is BECAUSE THE BUSH ADS ARE TRUE! You can look and see that on one day Kerry was saying to ecologists that the tide of SUVs needed to be curbed but the previous day he was in Detroit telling auto workers that he was going to bring back this economy by keeping SUV sales strong!
January 26th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
In times of crisis people want clear and certain stands. Bush was very clear what his are - Kerry was not. It's just that simple.
January 26th, 2005  
Strongbow
 
 
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Originally Posted by Pogue Mahone
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Originally Posted by Strongbow
So tell us all about these wonderful values that Bush supporters in middle America have?????

I thought Bush's speech was a load of rubbish but then maybe I haven't got those special "values"!
I personally doubt you listened to the speach - maybe you saw a soundbite on the news.

What time was it on where you are?

What Bush spoke about was ending tyranny in the world as a goal

Maybe this isn't a value of yours

How practical it is is another matter of course, but as a general statement of values I would be surprised to find many people opposed to such a sentiment - or perhaps not - since there are enough people who simply hate President Bush with such a passion it really doesn't matter what he says or does

Tell me though - what do you think of President Kennedy's innuagural speach - you know "pay any price, bear any burdon, support any friend, oppose any foe"

Do you think that was a good speach - does that speak to your values?
I was there!!!!! Glad I was wearing my thermals!!!!!!!

The speech was very flat and uninspiring. Not a patch on JFK's little number.

(Some may be interested in this. I read that JFK had sexual relations with three women (none were Jacki) later that night after his speech. Check this out in the novel "The Last brother" by McGuiness.)

Peoples values shouldn't be questioned here no matter what political party or views they support.