M16 training rifles - Page 2




 
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May 2nd, 2006  
SHERMAN
 
 
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They aren't "useless" and are great for training


As far as i know, they dont weigh the same as the real thing, dont allow you to ****, change firing modes or pull the trigger...am i wrong? cause if not, they are not to usefull for my taste. what do they practice you at? holding the weapon? might as well buy a good airsoft copy of the M16, get much better training for not a whole lot more money...(and i have had the unfortunate experience of actually training with the full length m16 in CQB in the dessert, which convinced me the real thing is almost as usefull as the rubber duck...)
May 2nd, 2006  
5.56X45mm
 
 
But they teach you weapon safety, how to carry a firearm, how to disarm someone with a firearm in hand to hand combat, and so on and so forth.

At the Police Academy, we all carry "rubber ducks". Rubber training pistols. Why, to let you get used to having a firearm on you 24/7. To teach you how to disarm someone hen you arrest them, to teach you how not to get your firearm taken away during a fight.

They're great training tools.

Lastly, you can't break the damn things. A airsoft rifle will break if you hit it hard enough. The Rubber Duck is just that. A piece of hard rubber.
May 2nd, 2006  
SHERMAN
 
 
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But they teach you weapon safety, how to carry a firearm, how to disarm someone with a firearm in hand to hand combat, and so on and so forth.
All of those were taught to me with a real gun. In some cases we took the firing mechanisem out before training.

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Why, to let you get used to having a firearm on you 24/7.
Why not just carry a real one?

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Lastly, you can't break the damn things. A airsoft rifle will break if you hit it hard enough. The Rubber Duck is just that. A piece of hard rubber
That is a good point. I forgot how damn fragile the airsoft rifles are...
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May 2nd, 2006  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Becuase it's cheaper than gicing everyone a real firearm.
May 2nd, 2006  
SHERMAN
 
 
Price of an M16 on mass sales these days is dirt cheap.
May 3rd, 2006  
5.56X45mm
 
 
Mass sale is like equiping a whole nation. Not a couple of squads.

We use them because a Rubber Duck pistol is $50 a pop and a rifle is a $100 a pop. You can get deals on live rifles but still. FN will not sell you a Ar-15 for $100 a rifle.
May 3rd, 2006  
SHERMAN
 
 
like i mentioned in another thread, i wouldent take them for free....
May 3rd, 2006  
PJ24
 
 
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Originally Posted by SHERMAN
like i mentioned in another thread, i wouldent take them for free....
I believe youthful ignorance is the cause for your comments. I know how to spot it, I had tons of it when I was younger.

Rubber ducks are great training aids. Just because you don't understand their uses, doesn't mean they are useless. Most these days are actually designed to weigh exactly what a loaded M16/M4 would weigh. They're great for training for a lot of ops, especially if you aren't doing any live fires. We have the M4s and they're great.

Fast roping (ever had the barrel of the guy behind you jam into your neck? It isn't fun), ruck marches, dismount drills, close quarter drills. Why take the risk of damaging the a real weapon if you're simply using it as a battle load out for other training or you're simply working on drills and familiarization?

When we're done, I don't have to inspect them or clean them or worry about damaging them. They just go right back in to storage.

US SOF has used them as training aids forever, and well, we do sorta know what we're doing.

For civilian agencies, they're very ideal. Like 5.56 for example, he was just at the police academy. Instead of outfitting everyone with expensive sidearms and carbines, they use rubber ducks for training.

May 3rd, 2006  
zander_0633
 
 
Any one use them for Rifle Drills?
May 4th, 2006  
Damien435
 
 
Hmm, I wonder, could you maybe use one of these to pistol whip a person? Someone says something stupid and you pull it out and slap em across the face with it, simple yet effective.