Light Tanks - Page 11




 
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January 4th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
yes I was refering to the Ratel, and I am sure what you say is correct, as in, the Ratel is good for recon in large open areas....an that is what a light tank is meant for.
January 4th, 2005  
bushpig1998
 
 
I've seen a couple ratels in action and I'll tell you, if they come up against an inexperienced tank crew, the tank is toast (If the ratels have guns mounted). They move incredibly fast and when working as a team, they are hard to beat. Add to that the fact that the carrier compartment has a firing hole for each troop inside, it is almost like a 7.62 porcupine! (We used FAL's for the most part during the 80's).
January 5th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
how big a gun can they carry? 90mm or 105mm?
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January 5th, 2005  
bushpig1998
 
 
Look slike th ebigest gun is a 90mm - which is perfect for African conditions and even in situations such as Iraq - where the main opposition tanks are older russian tanks. The 90mm has some good penetration and will knock out or damage most tanks out there pretty badly. Add to this the Ratel's speed and manueverability, and it makes for quite a weapon against older targeting systems - which it was designed to do. South Africa never faced a modern army and probably never will - such is the nature of warfare in Africa. The most advance weapons we have are the rooivalk - which is up there as far as attack helos go. Here is some quoted text:
"The Ratel 20 IFV is a wheeled, infantry fighting vehicle designed in the early 1970s to circumvent the arms embargo of South Africa. The vehicle is equipped with a turret-mounted 20mm autocannon, a coaxial MG-4, another MG-4 (C), and yet another MG-4 pintle-mounted on the rear roof (manned by the infantry squad). Main entrance to the passenger compartment is via a large door on either side of the vehicle. There is also a driverís hatch on the front deck, hatches for the commander and gunner on top of the turret, and eight hatches on the rear deck. There are four firing ports on each side that will accept any assault rifle or submachinegun. The Ratel 20 is used by South Africa and has been sold to undisclosed countries.

The Ratel 12.7 Command is a command version of the Ratel armored personnel carrier. The Ratel 12.7 has a two-man turret with an M-2HB, and a MAG in a mount on the rear roof. The command Ratel has three radios, a tape recorder with time injection, a combined receiver and cassette recorder, internal loudspeakers, a PA system, a pneumatic radio mast, and map boards.

The Ratel 60 is a wheeled infantry support vehicle designed in the early 1970s to circumvent the arms embargo of South Africa during apartheid. The vehicle is equipped with a turret-mounted 60mm Gun/Mortar, a coaxial MG-4, another MG-4 (C), and yet another pintle-mounted on the rear deck and manned by the infantry squad the Ratel 60 normally carries. Main entrance to the passenger compartment is via a large door on either side of the vehicle. There is also a driverís hatch on the front deck, hatches for the commander and gunner on the turret deck, and eight hatches over the passenger compartment (four to a side of the deck). There are four firing ports on each side that will accept any assault rifle or submachinegun. The Ratel 60 is used by South Africa and has been sold to several undisclosed countries.

The Ratel 90 is a wheeled fire support vehicle designed in the mid-1970s to circumvent the arms embargo of South Africa during apartheid. The vehicle is equipped with a turret-mounted 90mm gun, a coaxial MG-4 (the South African-made version of the MAG), another MG-4 (C), and yet another MG-4 pintle-mounted on the rear deck. Main entrance to the passenger compartment (not normally used) is via a large door on either side of the vehicle. There is also a driverís hatch on the front hull deck, hatches for the commander and gunner on top of the turret, and eight hatches on the rear deck for passengers. There are four firing ports on each side that will accept any assault rifle or submachinegun. The Ratel 90 is used by South Africa and has been sold to several undisclosed countries. "

from:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita.../rsa/ratel.htm
January 10th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
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Originally Posted by bushpig1998
During the Bush war in Angola and domestic disturbances in South Africa, the SA Police used Ratels, Buffels and Casspirs very effeciently. I know that the Ratel was one of the most feared vehicles during Angola - mostly because the Cubans couldn't nail it - it just moved too fast. It was quiet, could go almost anywhere and had triple mine resistance. The best part of it was that you could mount many different types of weapons on it. It was also resistant to most small arms fire. In this case, I would agree with you, something like a downsized Stryker would go good. The Bradley, I'm sorry to say, is just to slow and lightly armored.
Hey, mind posting some pics of the Ratel and Buffel, or has that already been done?
January 11th, 2005  
FO Seaman
 
 
I don't konw who it was that said that putting a Cadillac Gage Turret and a 90mm Cockerill gun on it was impossible but heres a pic out of the book Modern American Armor by Zaloga and Loop. Almost the same turret as the Commando series.
January 13th, 2005  
bushpig1998
 
 
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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
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Originally Posted by bushpig1998
During the Bush war in Angola and domestic disturbances in South Africa, the SA Police used Ratels, Buffels and Casspirs very effeciently. I know that the Ratel was one of the most feared vehicles during Angola - mostly because the Cubans couldn't nail it - it just moved too fast. It was quiet, could go almost anywhere and had triple mine resistance. The best part of it was that you could mount many different types of weapons on it. It was also resistant to most small arms fire. In this case, I would agree with you, something like a downsized Stryker would go good. The Bradley, I'm sorry to say, is just to slow and lightly armored.
Hey, mind posting some pics of the Ratel and Buffel, or has that already been done?
I'll find a few and post them...
January 13th, 2005  
bushpig1998
 
 
The Eland


The Buffel


The Ratel 90
January 17th, 2005  
bushpig1998
 
 
Since we are on the subject of light tanks...how about this one?

here is the blurb from the site:
The Rooikat 105 Armoured Fighting Vehicle is an 8x8 wheeled armoured vehicle with a crew of 4 and a combat mass of 28 tons.

The Rooikat is fitted with a low recoil force 105mm gun which fires standard NATO 105mm ammunition with exceptional accuracy at all types of targets either from a static position or on the move.

The Rooikat vehicle platform is highly adaptable to carry other turret and weapon systems.

Rooikat has been designed for High Mobility Operations where autonomous mobility, devastating firepower and a high level of combat survivability are of paramount importance.
January 17th, 2005  
USAFAUX2004
 
 
wow, nice one