Light Infantry vs. Mechanized Infantry - Page 6




 
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January 3rd, 2011  
LeMask
 
03USMC, you dont understand much... The world isnt revolving around me, why do you focus so much on me?

For the last time:
I have my principles in life, and you have yours. For you, it's okay to work for a government, for you it's okay to join a brotherhood of men and wear their uniform and share their reputation... For me, it's not okay. Government hold so much power that corruption is always very close...

War is controled violence. **** happens in a war. And I'm fine with violence, I'm rather speaking about war crimes, human mistakes etc...

And I dont believe that these "brotherhoods", call them units, armies or whatever, really care about cleaning their ranks from the "bad apples"... They focus on doing their job. And if it means to keep some freaks fighting, they will do so...

Their purpose is to get the job done and to clean their reputation by any means necessary... And sometimes by using means that arent noble at all, like hiding the truth, putting pressure on journalists etc etc...

I cant work for a bank, and you think I would join a big machine like the military? You are out of your mind... I would never do such a thing.

Know what? I'm a total coward. I fear for my soul, I'm scared shitless for my soul even if I dont believe in god. I would rather throw my life rather than to risk my soul. I would rather go to war alone than to join a group of strong men, if I dont trust them and know exactly who they are working for and what they are doing... Even if my chances of survival would have been much better.

Now, can we please drop the name calling? The coward BS, the video game BS too?

and 03, I know you were shocked by the last time I "quoted" somehow a video game... But you are not talking to someone who is confusing reality with video games... Just drop it for christ sake.

As civilians, we dont know much about war, and sometimes video games and movies are the best we got to "discover" a new concept... For me, it was the idea of plates under bullet proof vests to improve protection. And I understood from a video game that different plates had different properties following the used material (kevlar or ceramic etc...)... It was true in a video game, and true in reality...

So yes, I learned something from a video game, and it was true... I took time to read about it on the Internet. Video games arent 100% BS...

They train pilots and tank crew and even soldiers nowadays in simulators... And what are these simulators? They are sophisticated video games... etc...

You dont like me for some reason, I dont like you because you are being a jerk... But drop the video games issue... I can handle diverging view points, I can manage a little bitchiness from your part... Even the name calling, but not this random name calling...

And you dont even get exageration... OMG, I know that there is no all powerful armored vehicule...

It is a normal exercice in LOGIC practice. You bring some crazy theories, impossible theories...

Like If I told you, let's say that you have a time machine, and that you can send troops and armored vehicules to, I dont know, medieval Europe to build democracy...

How would you do it? Send Abrams and MBTs... Or send tons of troops? The Abrams and MBTs are good for destroying, but to turn medieval Europe into a democracy, you dont need a destruction power, but a huge construction capability... And centurius of work on mindsets...

Oh yeah, we dont have medieval Europe, but we do have Afghanistan... Same properties, just make it smaller and replace bows and arrows and other swords with crappy Aks and outdated Soviet/Chinese equipment...

We are so so obsessed by out ability to build powerful weapons that we cant see the world without using them... This is the problem.

We are at war against human stupidity. Crime, terrorism, religious extremism... etc etc... We cant use rare resources to fight that... We will run out.

Our military power is based on our industrial power, and this one is fueled by world finances and cheap energy... Both these things wont last for long maybe 50 years maximum... And our war effort will collapse sooner, because terrorism is here for eternity.

We need to put some pure human power and human will on the field... this is the part where we are the weakest. We went so far in the specialization school, trying to do everything with a few men... Then, we finish with small ridiculous armies capable of destroying the whole country... But unable to build a peace or not even to get some respect from the enemy...
January 4th, 2011  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
This is a bit out of the topic in this thread. Can you elaborate further about the pure human power and the human will in a more practical approach to solve the problem.

I am a civilian too, I do not use games and movies to understand the nature of the war. The best way is to listen to the soldiers/marines. They have been there. However, as a civilians, we will never understand it.

Actually, the military devolopment since the 9/11, has changed a bit. General Prendergast (spelling) changed the doctrine first in Iraq then later in Afghanistan to reduce the civilian casualties, it seems to work.

The people wearing the uniforms, they have a really difficult job. The enemy emerge and disappear again. The only thing which seperate them from the local population is the weapon, an AK-47. when they drop it they are civilians again. The asymmetric war is different from the symmetric war. The operations in Afghanistan will take a very long time.


To the active and ex-service men on this forum. I want you to do something. Write down your experiences, like a diary. Perhaps something to tell your kids and grandkids later, even to tell us who never been there.

Back to the infantry now? I said it earlier in this thread. I prefer both. They are good for different purposes. They both belong to the armed forces. To lift them out from the context can be problematic, but without the infantry, regardless if they are light or mech, we cannot do anything.

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January 4th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
What the hell has happened to this thread...

You read the first post and the title and would think, "okay it's a simple do you like this or that post"

Then you scroll down to here...
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January 4th, 2011  
LeMask
 
I was trying to make the debate richer by discussing the mindset behind the choices...

If you say that the advantage of mechanized infantry is firepower and survivability... You think that firepower and survivability are an actual advantage. And that is a philosophical choice.

We are discussing this philosophical choice in its roots.

And it's important, in particular in our era, where we lose a few men in war and give up... While in more ancient eras, we were used to lose thousands of people...
January 4th, 2011  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
What the hell has happened to this thread...

You read the first post and the title and would think, "okay it's a simple do you like this or that post"

Then you scroll down to here...

It went...it does not matter perhaps. Shall we continue with what we think about the future for the light and the mech infantry? I think these small UAVs will be a part of the infantry, for surveillance. Perhaps even at the platoon level for both light and mech.

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January 4th, 2011  
LeMask
 
Is the use of UAVs filed in the light infantry case or in the mechanized infantry case?
January 4th, 2011  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
In both cases

G
January 4th, 2011  
Big_Z
 
 
UAVs for line units isn't the future. It's the now.
January 4th, 2011  
I3BrigPvSk
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Big_Z
UAVs for line units isn't the future. It's the now.

Even for the company and the platoon level? Great if they are already using the small ones.

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January 4th, 2011  
GHR
 
 
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Originally Posted by Ghostrider
Even for the company and the platoon level? Great if they are already using the small ones.

G
Yep, we've used them for some years now.