Lieberman wants Iran punished

phoenix80 said:
I personally believe any one who thinks Iran is not a global threat to the world peace and security is completely clueless about the facts.
Click to expand...

Let me spell it out to you:

Its NOT our job to fix YOUR internal problems, especially when it was YOUR people in 1979 that stupidly allowed the Mullahs into power in the first place. The Mullahs are YOUR responsibility, and its YOUR job to get them out. If you want the Mullahs out so badly then when don't you go home and *DO* something about it rather than try and convince other countries to fix YOUR Internal problem.

As Dell Boy stated on another thread "DO NOT GET INVOLVED IN MIDDLE EASTERN POLITICS"
Thats the smartest thing I have heard on this board for months. After all, just look at the mess our meddling did in Iraq...
http://www.angus-reid.com/polls/index.cfm/fuseaction/viewItem/itemID/15825


Your barking up the wrong tree anyway, The vast majority of Americans do not want a WAR with Iran.

Polling Data

 If the U.S. government decides to take military action in Iran, would you favour or oppose it?


May 2007

Favour 33%
Oppose 63%
Unsure 4%

Thats the only *fact* I need remember.
 
Last edited:
Del Boy said:
I am waiting with fingers crossed for Iran to demonstrate otherwise, but it is hard to have confidence and ignore the warnings to the world of the current regime.

They have been the big gainers in the current conflicts, but they do not appear satisfied with that.

Are we still trying to cope with primitives or not, politically.
Click to expand...

The only way out of the middle-east conflicts is to have a peaceful regime change in Iran. It's Iran which gives sanctuary to Alqaeda, iraqi insurgents and finances the terrorists organizations of the world such as Hamas and Hezballah. It's time for the so-called free world to stand up against the islamofascists of Tehran and stop them now before it's too late.

Once the mullahs have nukes, they'll give it to int'l terrorists and they'll make sure that, god forbids, milions of americans, french or canadians die in a WMD like attack. This is not fear mongering. this is absolutely true and I am just telling you how the mullahs are. I have witnessed their cruelty and i know they dont have mercy for any one. Now it is up to you to decide if you'd rather live free or live under the reign of the caliphate.
 
phoenix80 said:
The only way out of the middle-east conflicts is to have a peaceful regime change in Iran. It's Iran which gives sanctuary to Alqaeda, iraqi insurgents and finances the terrorists organizations of the world such as Hamas and Hezballah. It's time for the so-called free world to stand up against the islamofascists of Tehran and stop them now before it's too late.

Once the mullahs have nukes, they'll give it to int'l terrorists and they'll make sure that, god forbids, milions of americans, french or canadians die in a WMD like attack. This is not fear mongering. this is absolutely true and I am just telling you how the mullahs are. I have witnessed their cruelty and i know they dont have mercy for any one. Now it is up to you to decide if you'd rather live free or live under the reign of the caliphate.
Click to expand...

1. "It's Iran which gives sanctuary to Alqaeda",

This is a very obvious false statement. Al-Qaeda is Wahabbi Sunni, Iran is Shiia. They are ethnic enemies, they hate each other and have so for the past 800 years. Sunnis (backed by al-qaeda) and Shiia (backed by Iran) are currently killing each other in Iraq, so what do you think the chances of Iran protecting al-Qaeda are?

Its funny how you can question my facts, when your drop such absurdities such as this.

2. "Once the mullahs have nukes, they'll give it to int'l terrorists and they'll make sure that, god forbids, milions of americans, french or canadians die in a WMD like attack".

If this isn't fearmongering, I don't know what is, nor does it make much sense...

Just think for a second, What would be the possible interest of Iran in doing as Phoenix01 would like us to believe? Suppose you're an Iranian Mullah. Are you really going to provoke countries whose military capacities totally dwarf your own for no good reason. Any nuclear explosion in the Western World would trigger the immediate obliteration of Iran. If Iran succeeds with their program they might make between 6-8 bombs. (They still have to figure out how to weaponize the bomb (maybe another decades worth of research), but thats another topic). Last check the US Arsenal was at 1300 warheads. 8 vs 1300 I think the odds are against the Mullahs. The Mullahs might be evil, but that doesn't mean they are suicidal or stupid.
 
Last edited:
mmarsh said:
Polling Data

If the U.S. government decides to take military action in Iran, would you favour or oppose it?


May 2007

Favour 33%
Oppose 63%
Unsure 4%

Thats the only *fact* I need remember.
Click to expand...


If Iran is half the problem that the Extreme Right Wing in America (and their ilk elsewhere) makes Iran out to be then in my opinion the only Military Action the United States of America should take is to Nuke Iran.... massively..... perhaps as soon as today.

I would like to see some Poll Numbers on how Americans feel about killing most of the Iranians in Iran, without any Ground Troops involved.... and just compare the numbers.

20 to 30 high yield Reentry Vehicles ought to fix the Iranian people right up. Starting with Tehran and moving to the rest of the major Population Centers and major Military Bases.


Damn Axis of Evil anyway..... should have Nuked Iran back in 79, then we would not have to worry about them today..... or perhaps not went into Iraq, and maybe even had Saddam help the U.S. kill Iranians (again)
 
Last edited:
mmarsh said:
1. "The Mullahs might be evil, but that doesn't mean they are suicidal or stupid.
Click to expand...

Does it mean they are not? They seem to promote suicide in others. 6-8 Bombs. Might they not be tempted to risk just one little bomb on any friend of America.

When would you decide enough was enough?
 
Gator said:
should have Nuked Iran back in 79, then we would not have to worry about them today..... or perhaps not went into Iraq, and maybe even had Saddam help the U.S. kill Iranians (again)
Click to expand...
Would have if Reagan had been in office, see Libya, but it was a Democrat, Jimminy "Cricket" Carter. It was on the Donkey's watch this ball was dropped.
:read:
 
Well this could prove to be yet more interesting information about Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19190994/

This is also interesting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19194475/

And man any country that kills people because they are making porn is just, well, messed up....
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.425319967&par=0

I mean seriously what kind of message are they sending? Murder is ok, sex, nudity, the human body..is bad????

What is even more interesting about all this porn issue is their is a huge demand for it in Iran and that even Iranians themselves are making their own home videos....

But what I am getting at here is that Mmarsh this makes most the west, if not all, "the earth's corrupt" therefore in their eyes we should all die...

Oh and let's get into their capital punishment, men buried to their necks women to their arm pits and if they can get out while being stoned they are pardoned...that is seriously wrong....
 
Last edited:
You cultural imperialist... shame on you for applying Western values to a foreign culture... tsk tsk.
 
Donkey said:
Well this could prove to be yet more interesting information about Iran
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19190994/

This is also interesting
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19194475/

And man any country that kills people because they are making porn is just, well, messed up....
http://www.adnki.com/index_2Level_English.php?cat=Politics&loid=8.0.425319967&par=0

I mean seriously what kind of message are they sending? Murder is ok, sex, nudity, the human body..is bad????

What is even more interesting about all this porn issue is their is a huge demand for it in Iran and that even Iranians themselves are making their own home videos....

But what I am getting at here is that Mmarsh this makes most the west, if not all, "the earth's corrupt" therefore in their eyes we should all die...

Oh and let's get into their capital punishment, men buried to their necks women to their arm pits and if they can get out while being stoned they are pardoned...that is seriously wrong....
Click to expand...

The key to stability in the mideast region is to have a regime change in Iran. A responsible government in Iran will help further peace efforts, it won't fund terrorists

Iran to make U.S. "regret" detention of Iranians
 
Last edited:
Del Boy said:
Does it mean they are not? They seem to promote suicide in others. 6-8 Bombs. Might they not be tempted to risk just one little bomb on any friend of America.

When would you decide enough was enough?
Click to expand...

Nuclear explosions leave evidence behind, traces of the fissionable material they contained which are unique like a fingerprint. This radioactive 'fingerprint' can be easily traced back to its source. In other words, there is NO-WAY a device could be set off without it being traced back to its country of origin. And when that happens there will be a new hole in the earth where Iran used to be. No, as I said, there is no possible way Iran (even via a proxy) could actually use a WMD without being exposed.

The only possible scanerio I could see of a WMD being set off would be to halt a US Ground invasion of Iran. Like I said, if we provoke them, all bets are off.

Iran does use suicide bombers, but you'll notice they are usually simple-minded peons, they never use anybody of value. There seems to be a line that they won't cross.
 
mmarsh said:
Iran does use suicide bombers, but you'll notice they are usually simple-minded peons, they never use anybody of value. There seems to be a line that they won't cross.
Click to expand...

Common misconception. Suicide bombers have been teachers, professors, engineers, university students... the more successful the attack was higher the intelligence of the Tango. People like to think that the terrorist is stupid because it gives us a certain solace since it would mean our police forces have a better chance of thwarting them.

http://www.mosnews.com/interview/2005/12/01/terroristreveals.shtml

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/09/the_economics_o.html

Gimme a minute and I'll suss out some more links for this line of thought... time to change diapers. :camo:
 
bulldogg said:
Common misconception. Suicide bombers have been teachers, professors, engineers, university students... the more successful the attack was higher the intelligence of the Tango. People like to think that the terrorist is stupid because it gives us a certain solace since it would mean our police forces have a better chance of thwarting them.

http://www.mosnews.com/interview/2005/12/01/terroristreveals.shtml

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/09/the_economics_o.html

Gimme a minute and I'll suss out some more links for this line of thought... time to change diapers. :camo:
Click to expand...


I stand corrected, what I meant to say easily manipulated or naive but you are right, not stupid. Many of those that become suicide bombers suffer from depression. Socially unaccepted, unemployed, family-marital difficulties, feelings of oppression, etc. Most of those who do volunteer do so out of desperation about their life, and they are fed Islamic propaganda (even though Islam forbids suicide) to think dying would somehow solve their problems.

The point is, there is always some poor sap the Mullahs or Imams can find to doing the dying for them. You never see anybody of importance actually do the did themselves except when its to avoid being captured.

The Mullahs are clever enough never to put themselves in any real danger.
 
Last edited:
bulldogg said:
Common misconception. Suicide bombers have been teachers, professors, engineers, university students... the more successful the attack was higher the intelligence of the Tango. People like to think that the terrorist is stupid because it gives us a certain solace since it would mean our police forces have a better chance of thwarting them.

End of quote.


Yup. Our suicide bombers tend towards the nice young guy, ready to help around the place and teach kids. Not poor, not downtrodden, often well set up. The motivation is pure Islamic ideology and training, inspiration local mosque, training abroad.

mmarsh makes good point regarding tracing the origin of a nuke, but that doesn't really help the recipient, does it. This means that we say enough AFTER they have carried out their threats. this is the very strange thing about the Islamic threat - they are happy to tell us now what they are going to do to us. A la Mein Kamph. For some reason we ignore them, shrug it off. Why? We are in denial because of our reasonableness. BUT, they know this and believe they are better poker players than us. So far, they are. Only the Israelis have them bang to rights, because they who they are playing against. The Israelis know they must not blink.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited:
bulldogg said:
Common misconception. Suicide bombers have been teachers, professors, engineers, university students... the more successful the attack was higher the intelligence of the Tango. People like to think that the terrorist is stupid because it gives us a certain solace since it would mean our police forces have a better chance of thwarting them.

http://www.mosnews.com/interview/2005/12/01/terroristreveals.shtml

http://economistsview.typepad.com/economistsview/2006/09/the_economics_o.html

Gimme a minute and I'll suss out some more links for this line of thought... time to change diapers. :camo:
Click to expand...

how can these people be so naive?
 
Gator said:
If Iran is half the problem that the Extreme Right Wing in America (and their ilk elsewhere) makes Iran out to be then in my opinion the only Military Action the United States of America should take is to Nuke Iran.... massively..... perhaps as soon as today.
Click to expand...

This is without a doubt the most stupid idea I have heard yet everyone knows that if you nuke them the radiation level there will be horrible for years maybe even centuries and then how will we get the oil?
I thoroughly recommend biological weapons its a much easier clean up and you don't damage infrastructure.

:)
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top