"You Lie" Aftermath

LBJ started pushing Civil Rights? Oh, please. He was to busy ramping up Viet Nam.

So the majority of Southern Democrats became Republicans and the few remaining liberal civil rights loving Democrats overwhelmed the nasty Republicans reinforced by the nasty party switching Democrats.

I can't blame you for memory loss as you are to young.

I have heard on these forums about how bad the education system in the U S has become. I did not believe it until now.

The race issue on this thread is just smoke. It is a tired old attempt by liberals to paint anyone who disagrees with them on any topic as a racist right wing conservative KKK member.

Probably should put a note on any future topics discussing the President's policies that reads.

"Please note that because our current President Is Black (In case you are not aware) anyone disagreeing with his policies:
Will Be Considered a Card Carrying Right Wing KKK White Supremacist, No Matter What Their Religion, Sex, Sexual Orientation, Race May Be."

That way we could just go on to dicussing the issue and not get side tracked so easily.
Actually LBJ considered passing the Civil Rights Act of 1964 his single greatest accomplishment of his presidency.

Oh, and if you're going to have an argument, could you at least be more original than "Generalize that the other side is generalizing you"?
 
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You my young Stud need to calm down and learn to discuss instead of argue. I don't care what you created the discussion goes as it goes. It was shaping up into a half ass bi partisan and intelligent conversation until you got yer panties in a wad so rachet down and continue.
 
It was shaping up to a pissing contest about racism in America. Unless I'm reading a different thread.


Like I said, neither I nor anyone else was attempting to "play the race card" until you brought it up. It shouldn't be about WHO said it, it should be about what was actually SAID. I'd be just as infuriated if a conservative Democrat said it...


The quote from Chukpike up there proves my point... It doesn't even address the topic of Joe Wilson anymore. It's JUST about racism. Perhaps I should report the post as off topic.....
 
Look Sugar Britches the topic was addressed and the majority opined that Wilson is a clown that shot off his mouth without cause.......that majority would include me, the object of your discontent. Your just popping off to pop off so spare me.
 
Actually LBJ considered passing the Civil Rights Act of 1965 his single greatest accomplishment of his presidency.

Oh, and if you're going to have an argument, could you at least be more original than "Generalize that the other side is generalizing you"?

While LBJ worked hard to get the Civil Rights Act passed and considered it a great achievement, he would be disappointed as a teacher that the students today do not know it was introduced by John F. Kennedy and passed after Kenedy's death.

It is more properly refered to as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Why? Because that was the year it was enacted.

Oh, and if you want to be thought of as an enlightened civil rights supporter try to get the important dates right.:smile:
 
While LBJ worked hard to get the Civil Rights Act passed and considered it a great achievement, he would be disappointed as a teacher that the students today do not know it was introduced by John F. Kennedy and passed after Kenedy's death.

It is more properly refered to as the Civil Rights Act of 1964, Why? Because that was the year it was enacted.

Oh, and if you want to be thought of as an enlightened civil rights supporter try to get the important dates right.:smile:
My mistake, hit the wrong key and didn't catch it.

Well, I would be disappointed in such students too, but I feel we're losing the topic at hand, so I'll leave it at that.
 
Look Sugar Britches the topic was addressed and the majority opined that Wilson is a clown that shot off his mouth without cause.......that majority would include me, the object of your discontent. Your just popping off to pop off so spare me.
If the topic has been exhausted, perhaps we should lock the thread and start a new one on racism in modern times.
 
Maybe this was his plan all along, to drum up support for his re-election, and he'd banked on more people siding with him? I do believe I heard he's had a lot of cash sent his way too...
 
Maybe this was his plan all along, to drum up support for his re-election, and he'd banked on more people siding with him? I do believe I heard he's had a lot of cash sent his way too...

Was it planned? After similar events at the TownHall meeting that were organized by various rightwing organizations, I have no doubt this too was deliberate. Was it done for reelection purposes? I doubt it. Wilson is a nobody from a Republican state, his chances of reelection were good before this happened. I think he underestimated the response of his actions.

My biggest complaint though has to be against Obama. Once again Obama has attempted to discuss, appeal, negiociate with people who sole response is to spit in his face, not simply disagree: spit in his face. Partisanship is admireable but there comes a time when a "Nice Guy" needs to find his inner LJB and simply be ruthless. The office of the POTUS inspires both respect and fear, he has done well with the former, its time Obama shows his teeth abit. Nobody respects a coward, and I think thats why his opposition is some emboldened (both on the left and right) they think hes weak and he wont fight back.
 
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My biggest complaint though has to be against Obama. Once again Obama has attempted to discuss, appeal, negiociate with people who sole response is to spit in his face, not simply disagree: spit in his face. Partisanship is admireable but there comes a time when a "Nice Guy" needs to find his inner LJB and simply be ruthless. The office of the POTUS inspires both respect and fear, he has done well with the former, its time Obama shows his teeth abit. Nobody respects a coward, and I think thats why his opposition is some emboldened (both on the left and right) they think hes weak and he wont fight back.

I think you may be underestimating him, consultation is a great tool when implementing a policy that is 50:50 in nature:
1) If it is a success he can say "you had your chance to support it and chose not to" which will win votes.
2) If it fails he can go with "you had your chance to come up with an alternative and failed" which will put the pressure back on the opposition to come up with an alternative.

If you recall he did the similar thing when McCain wanted to hold off campaigning to work on the economic crisis.

The only way this can backfire is if he does nothing, but I would suggest that right now he is letting his opposition fire off all their ammunition during the political skirmishing phase.
 
I think you may be underestimating him, consultation is a great tool when implementing a policy that is 50:50 in nature:
1) If it is a success he can say "you had your chance to support it and chose not to" which will win votes.
2) If it fails he can go with "you had your chance to come up with an alternative and failed" which will put the pressure back on the opposition to come up with an alternative.

If you recall he did the similar thing when McCain wanted to hold off campaigning to work on the economic crisis.

The only way this can backfire is if he does nothing, but I would suggest that right now he is letting his opposition fire off all their ammunition during the political skirmishing phase.

But thats just it -they dont care about his policies. They are not interested In negiociating with him, they are simply there to obstruct his administration anyway they can. They have turned this against Obama himself just like they did to Clinton (the sex-fiend), Gore (the US hating tree-hugger) and Kerry (the guy who faked his military service). And all three of these people made the same mistake, they caved. They thought they could negociate with the right, or that the public wouldnt take the lies seriously. Obama healthcare has been besieged with false allagations and outright lies, even the truly stupid like Sarah Palins allegation of "death panals" has been allowed to stand without a severe rebuke and now its take as fact.

Case in point, they fired Van Jones for calling Republicans "assh***". First of all, most people would probably agree that there is a certain degree of truth in that statement. I have heard the comment made by other Republicans that there are some very nasty elements in their party. And secondly Republicans have called the left far worse than that. But they fired Van Jones anyway because Glen Beck got offended being called a name. Glen Beck who from day 1 has been telling his audience that Obama's really a racist Nazi-Socialist-Communist sympathizer.

Another example, a school board in Arlington VA refused to play Obama "Don't do drugs -Stay in School Message" from Obama over the PA system, but they were willing to provide bussing for the entire school to listen to Former President Bush speak. And Obama tolerated this obvious disrespect, Had it been me I would have sucked every single Federal Dollar out of the entire school district, which is exactly what Bush or LBJ would have done. Obama, like all Democrats is too afraid someone wont like him if he takes a tough stance, the result is going to be that everyone will him for being weak. Obama making exactly the same mistake as his predecessors. If he doesnt start fighting back the GOP is going to make mincemeat of him.
 
But thats just it -they dont care about his policies. They are not interested In negiociating with him, they are simply there to obstruct his administration anyway they can. They have turned this against Obama himself just like they did to Clinton (the sex-fiend), Gore (the US hating tree-hugger) and Kerry (the guy who faked his military service).

Case in point, they fired Van Jones for calling Republicans "assh***". Glen Beck who from day 1 has been telling his audience that Obama's really a racist Nazi-Socialist-Communist sympathizer.

Another example, a school board in Arlington VA refused to play Obama "Don't do drugs -Stay in School Message" from Obama over the PA system, but they were willing to provide bussing for the entire school to listen to Former President Bush speak. And Obama tolerated this obvious disrespect, Had it been me I would have sucked every single Federal Dollar out of the entire school district, which is exactly what Bush or LBJ would have done. Obama, like all Democrats is too afraid someone wont like him if he takes a tough stance, the result is going to be that everyone will him for being weak. Obama making exactly the same mistake as his predecessors. If he doesnt start fighting back the GOP is going to make mincemeat of him.
Of course we care about Obama's policys, they're way Left & need to be stopped, just like all the other way Left types Dems nominate these days.
Van Jones The A$$hole comment was the 1st thing out, but you really need to do a little reaserch, that was just the beginning. For 1 thing he is a self proclaimed Communist who said the Green angle is the way to transform the economy, & I'm sure the didn't mean in a Market oriented Model. He's also a nut job who signed a letter accusing Bush of being in on 9-11.
So you believe that if a District accepts Fed $ Obama gets to be Dictator there, great.
Have you looked back @ the fit the Dems threw when Bush 1 talked to students about drugs? Even hauled the Secretary of Education before a Commitee to explain the situation. I'd say Obama's anti drug message should have been played, probably as useless as Bush's was.
 
But thats just it -they dont care about his policies. They are not interested In negiociating with him, they are simply there to obstruct his administration anyway they can. They have turned this against Obama himself just like they did to Clinton (the sex-fiend), Gore (the US hating tree-hugger) and Kerry (the guy who faked his military service). And all three of these people made the same mistake, they caved. They thought they could negociate with the right, or that the public wouldnt take the lies seriously. Obama healthcare has been besieged with false allagations and outright lies, even the truly stupid like Sarah Palins allegation of "death panals" has been allowed to stand without a severe rebuke and now its take as fact.

Mate I think you have been listening to FOX far too much for your own good, most people I have spoken to consider the "Town Hall" a huge joke, basically a bunch of red necks and a bunch of hippies show up and shout each other down and the whole "Death panels" thing is probably filling more comedian air time than any thing else and for the most part no one else cares.

At this point most of the more moderate Republicans I know are doing all they can to distance themselves from the idiocy of current proceedings even if they don't support Obama's plans so to a large degree I think this may end up doing more harm than good to the Republican cause.
 
Mate I think you have been listening to FOX far too much for your own good, most people I have spoken to consider the "Town Hall" a huge joke, basically a bunch of red necks and a bunch of hippies show up and shout each other down and the whole "Death panels" thing is probably filling more comedian air time than any thing else and for the most part no one else cares.

At this point most of the more moderate Republicans I know are doing all they can to distance themselves from the idiocy of current proceedings even if they don't support Obama's plans so to a large degree I think this may end up doing more harm than good to the Republican cause.

Thats EXACTLY what John Kerry thought in 2004 about the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth. That they were a bunch of loony, bitter, people none of which actually served with him (and thus were talking out of their a**,) that it was bias organized partisan Group that nobody would ever take seriously. The assumption that people would see through the weird circus cost Kerry the election.

Yes the people at the Towns are mob-rule clowns, but because they are clowns doesnt make them harmless. Dont ever underestimate Americans ability for being gulliable, believing in the absurd, illogical, or plain stupid. I assure you the "death Panals" claim made by Palin was very effective at scaring elderly people who DO believe it as riduculous as as it is.

Moderate Republicans? What are they? :) I know, I used to be one. They dont exsist anymore, they were hunted into exiction by the far right. Their heads were mounted like deer trophies at the reception desk of American Hertiage Institute (A huge Conservative Think-Tank).
 
Thats EXACTLY what John Kerry thought in 2004 about the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth. That they were a bunch of loony, bitter, people none of which actually served with him (and thus were talking out of their a**,) that it was bias organized partisan Group that nobody would ever take seriously. The assumption that people would see through the weird circus cost Kerry the election.

Yes the people at the Towns are mob-rule clowns, but because they are clowns doesnt make them harmless. Dont ever underestimate Americans ability for being gulliable, believing in the absurd, illogical, or plain stupid. I assure you the "death Panals" claim made by Palin was very effective at scaring elderly people who DO believe it as riduculous as as it is.

Moderate Republicans? What are they? :) I know, I used to be one. They dont exsist anymore, they were hunted into exiction by the far right. Their heads were mounted like deer trophies at the reception desk of American Hertiage Institute (A huge Conservative Think-Tank).

I think you have greatly underestimated things, do a quick search of the net for his approval ratings and the support for the health caare bill and you will see that in pretty much every case where polls have been taken since his speech support has increased.

The simple reality is that the more extreme opposition becomes to something the more moderates support it and it is true of the elections and health care that the further right the stance moves the more moderate rights end up on the left side of the balance point.

http://www.newsroomamerica.com/politics/story.php?id=466409

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...ministration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll

http://www.gallup.com/home.aspx

Basically the far right have graduated from shooting itself in the foot with a 9mm to using a 30mm HE round.
 
Well, if the president IS lying, I believe you should call him out in mid-speech - it's just the right thing to do.

That was NOT the case here. This is shameful and it's going to hurt the republicans even more.
 
Well, if the president IS lying, I believe you should call him out in mid-speech - it's just the right thing to do.

That was NOT the case here. This is shameful and it's going to hurt the republicans even more.

I would suggest that is shown by...

Two in Three Americans Oppose Rep. Joe Wilson’s Outburst

Twenty-three percent are outraged, while 6% are thrilled

by Frank Newport
PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans come down strongly in opposition to South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson's "You lie!" outburst during President Obama's address to Congress on healthcare last Wednesday, though majorities on both sides of the issue do not seem passionate in their views. Sixty-eight percent of Americans interviewed in the Sept. 11-13 USA Today/Gallup poll say they oppose what Wilson did, while 21% say they support it.
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Those who favor and those opposing Wilson's actions were asked if they were thrilled or outraged, respectively. Majorities on each side of the issue would not use these two words to describe their emotions, leaving 6% of Americans thrilled by the incident and 23% outraged.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/122942/Two-Three-Americans-Oppose-Rep-Joe-Wilson-Outburst.aspx
 
Dear MMARSH, John Kerry got swift boated? What John Kerry Did was get 3 purple hearts for less than band aid wounds so he could get sent home, John kerry also put himself up for the Silver Star. As though that were not Enough he called me and all of my vietnam brothers war criminals, he also was A friend of Jane Fonda. Also If you are a fan of obama, have you ever given any critical thought to the socialist direction he is leading our country? You must wear a tin foil hat.

He went into younder village and never returned
 
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