You know what mmarsh? I think we established the fact that we are not British more than a couple of hundred years ago and we don't do much the way it's done in Parliament so that's a non-point.
I think the fact that Wilson's remark was ill placed is agreed upon so there's no point to argue there.
Even if Frank did comment on Bush, who could understand him? :wink:
This isn't about Bush in any way shape or form so there's no point bringing him into every discussion. It doesn't help your argument.
You can't tell me about racism in NYC, I was born and grew up in Bed-Sty and oh yes there was a lot of racism there (probably the reverse of what you're thinking about). There amy not have been KKK posters but there were tons of militant racist comments plastered on walls and subway cars. 6 of 1 or a half dozen of the other.
I wasn't referring to you specifically, I was referring in general to those who might have thought it was OK for Wilson to act the way he did, such as those people sending money to Wilson.
I was using Bush for a comparison as he was the last Republican president. But I could have just as easily said Reagan. The point I was making was that the conservatives would have been OUTRAGED if this had been done at one of their presidents, not making excuses as they have in the media. It would have been wrong to do it to Bush -and you know what a big fan of Bush I am
. Outside of Congress I'd be more tolerant, but inside the congress...very disrespectful.
Its hypocritical to think that its OK for Wilson to insult the presidency when its a democrat, but find it outrageous if the same were done to a republican.
As I said, I agree that racism is everywhere and Yes I have seen the occasional comments scrawled on the subways, especially on the "A" train. I'm from Manhattan, I'm not going to pretend NYC is some shining beacon of racial tolerance, but it is a lot better than other places I've been which is why I disagree that its equal. The stuff I saw in the Mid-west didn't come close to what we got at home.
Ill give you an example, when I was in Indiana there was a certain laundrymat in the center of town inside there was a sign that openly mocked asian people using both a offensive caricature of a Asian man and listing the stores policies in the worst written English-Chinese stereotype imaginable. Things like "No Tickee-no Laundree" and worse, you get the idea. I'd go further in detail but doing so would probably get me banned. And this sh** was everywhere. I was offended and I am not even Asian, and I have alot of friends in Chinatown who would have gone ballistic. Now in NYC, that sort of thing might happen incognito, in the heat of the moment, or as a mean-spirited joke among friends. So Yes it exists, but people there do not wear their racism on their sleeve like chevrons on a military uniform, its much more discreet. Racism in open Public view is bad form.
