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Strange that the AP has reported that "US now winning Iraq war that seemed lost" but that the NY Times and LA Times hasn't reported this in their news paper or websites. Strange that CNN has not reported it on the air... strange that NBC, ABC, and CBS didn't report it on their prime time news program.

AP News Story.

Analysis: US now winning Iraq war that seemed lost

By ROBERT BURNS and ROBERT H. REID – 3 days ago
BAGHDAD (AP) — The United States is now winning the war that two years ago seemed lost.


Limited, sometimes sharp fighting and periodic terrorist bombings in Iraq are likely to continue, possibly for years. But the Iraqi government and the U.S. now are able to shift focus from mainly combat to mainly building the fragile beginnings of peace — a transition that many found almost unthinkable as recently as one year ago.


Despite the occasional bursts of violence, Iraq has reached the point where the insurgents, who once controlled whole cities, no longer have the clout to threaten the viability of the central government.


That does not mean the war has ended or that U.S. troops have no role in Iraq. It means the combat phase finally is ending, years past the time when President Bush optimistically declared it had. The new phase focuses on training the Iraqi army and police, restraining the flow of illicit weaponry from Iran, supporting closer links between Baghdad and local governments, pushing the integration of former insurgents into legitimate government jobs and assisting in rebuilding the economy.


Scattered battles go on, especially against al-Qaida holdouts north of Baghdad. But organized resistance, with the steady drumbeat of bombings, kidnappings, assassinations and ambushes that once rocked the capital daily, has all but ceased.


This amounts to more than a lull in the violence. It reflects a fundamental shift in the outlook for the Sunni minority, which held power under Saddam Hussein. They launched the insurgency five years ago. They now are either sidelined or have switched sides to cooperate with the Americans in return for money and political support.


Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told The Associated Press this past week there are early indications that senior leaders of al-Qaida may be considering shifting their main focus from Iraq to the war in Afghanistan.


Ryan Crocker, the U.S. ambassador to Iraq, told the AP on Thursday that the insurgency as a whole has withered to the point where it is no longer a threat to Iraq's future.


"Very clearly, the insurgency is in no position to overthrow the government or, really, even to challenge it," Crocker said. "It's actually almost in no position to try to confront it. By and large, what's left of the insurgency is just trying to hang on."


Shiite militias, notably the Mahdi Army of radical cleric Muqtada al-Sadr, have lost their power bases in Baghdad, Basra and other major cities. An important step was the routing of Shiite extremists in the Sadr City slums of eastern Baghdad this spring — now a quiet though not fully secure district.
Al-Sadr and top lieutenants are now in Iran. Still talking of a comeback, they are facing major obstacles, including a loss of support among a Shiite population weary of war and no longer as terrified of Sunni extremists as they were two years ago.


Despite the favorable signs, U.S. commanders are leery of proclaiming victory or promising that the calm will last.


The premature declaration by the Bush administration of "Mission Accomplished" in May 2003 convinced commanders that the best public relations strategy is to promise little, and couple all good news with the warning that "security is fragile" and that the improvements, while encouraging, are "not irreversible."


Iraq still faces a mountain of problems: sectarian rivalries, power struggles within the Sunni and Shiite communities, Kurdish-Arab tensions, corruption. Anyone could rekindle widespread fighting.


But the underlying dynamics in Iraqi society that blew up the U.S. military's hopes for an early exit, shortly after the fall of Baghdad in April 2003, have changed in important ways in recent months.


Systematic sectarian killings have all but ended in the capital, in large part because of tight security and a strategy of walling off neighborhoods purged of minorities in 2006.


That has helped establish a sense of normalcy in the streets of the capital. People are expressing a new confidence in their own security forces, which in turn are exhibiting a newfound assertiveness with the insurgency largely in retreat.


Statistics show violence at a four-year low. The monthly American death toll appears to be at its lowest of the war — four killed in action so far this month as of Friday, compared with 66 in July a year ago. From a daily average of 160 insurgent attacks in July 2007, the average has plummeted to about two dozen a day this month. On Wednesday the nationwide total was 13.


Beyond that, there is something in the air in Iraq this summer.
In Baghdad, parks are filled every weekend with families playing and picnicking with their children. That was unthinkable only a year ago, when the first, barely visible signs of a turnaround emerged.


Now a moment has arrived for the Iraqis to try to take those positive threads and weave them into a lasting stability.


The questions facing both Americans and Iraqis are: What kinds of help will the country need from the U.S. military, and for how long? The questions will take on greater importance as the U.S. presidential election nears, with one candidate pledging a troop withdrawal and the other insisting on staying.


Iraqi authorities have grown dependent on the U.S. military after more than five years of war. While they are aiming for full sovereignty with no foreign troops on their soil, they do not want to rush. In a similar sense, the Americans fear that after losing more than 4,100 troops, the sacrifice could be squandered.


U.S. commanders say a substantial American military presence will be needed beyond 2009. But judging from the security gains that have been sustained over the first half of this year — as the Pentagon withdrew five Army brigades sent as reinforcements in 2007 — the remaining troops could be used as peacekeepers more than combatants.


As a measure of the transitioning U.S. role, Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond says that when he took command of American forces in the Baghdad area about seven months ago he was spending 80 percent of his time working on combat-related matters and about 20 percent on what the military calls "nonkinetic" issues, such as supporting the development of Iraqi government institutions and humanitarian aid.


Now Hammond estimates those percentage have been almost reversed. For several hours one recent day, for example, Hammond consulted on water projects with a Sunni sheik in the Radwaniyah area of southwest Baghdad, then spent time with an Iraqi physician/entrepreneur in the Dora district of southern Baghdad — an area, now calm, that in early 2007 was one of the capital's most violent zones.


"We're getting close to something that looks like an end to mass violence in Iraq," says Stephen Biddle, an analyst at the Council of Foreign Relations who has advised Petraeus on war strategy. Biddle is not ready to say it's over, but he sees the U.S. mission shifting from fighting the insurgents to keeping the peace.


Although Sunni and Shiite extremists are still around, they have surrendered the initiative and have lost the support of many ordinary Iraqis. That can be traced to an altered U.S. approach to countering the insurgency — a Petraeus-driven move to take more U.S. troops off their big bases and put them in Baghdad neighborhoods where they mixed with ordinary Iraqis and built a new level of trust.


Army Col. Tom James, a brigade commander who is on his third combat tour in Iraq, explains the new calm this way:


"We've put out the forest fire. Now we're dealing with pop-up fires."
It's not the end of fighting. It looks like the beginning of a perilous peace.
Maj. Gen. Ali Hadi Hussein al-Yaseri, the chief of patrol police in the capital, sees the changes.


"Even eight months ago, Baghdad was not today's Baghdad," he says.
EDITOR'S NOTE _ Robert Burns is AP's chief military reporter, and Robert Reid is AP's chief of bureau in Baghdad. Reid has covered the war from his post in Iraq since the U.S. invasion in March 2003. Burns, based in Washington, has made 21 reporting trips to Iraq; on his latest during July, Burns spent nearly three weeks in central and northern Iraq, observing military operations and interviewing both U.S. and Iraqi officers.


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5jzxqARN0Huv38n5pgDfdBRwuoiZgD925HT7G0


Gee... and people say that there isn't any bias in the media and that it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. Obama said we were losing the war, Pelosi said we were losing the war, and so has Reid said that both the war is lost and that the surge has failed.

This crap makes me sick. We're winning the war and the liberals back home want us to lose for political gain....
 
Strange isnt that all the major news organizations BUT ONE (and not even one, rather just two specific journalists, because its not even on the AP website, but Googles) are reporting this. Strange isn't it? Not FOX NEWS, not WSJ, not the Washington Times or any other conservative Bush cheerleaders that regularly proclaim "mission accomplished". Strangely, they are all silent. If its "Liberial bias" then its a damn neat trick because that means the liberal media have somehow stopped the conservatives and world press from releasing a similar story. I wasn't aware that they had this omnipotent power.

Very odd...

Therefore I suppose that when Symour Hersh proclaimed 9-11 a Bush conspiracy to order for him to seize power, that too must have been a "liberal bias", because nobody else but Seymour Hersh reported it, except to laugh at him.
 
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adding on to this thread would be the lack of criticism that Obama is getting for his expensive inauguration which will dwarf President Bush's $40 million price tag in 2004.
 
adding on to this thread would be the lack of criticism that Obama is getting for his expensive inauguration which will dwarf President Bush's $40 million price tag in 2004.

According to an ABC report Obamas inauguration is costing $170,000,000.
George Bushs inauguration cost $42,300,000.
That's just over 4 times as much.

This is what a UK paper is reporting about the cost.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090120.INAUGURALCOST20/TPStory/International

Overheard. "Man this taxpayer money spends real easy."
 
Wait at least 3 years until the US has pulled out of Iraq. I think this is about the period between when the US largely pulled out of Vietnam and the Communists taking Saigon.
 
Strange that the AP has reported that "US now winning Iraq war that seemed lost" but that the NY Times and LA Times hasn't reported this in their news paper or websites. Strange that CNN has not reported it on the air... strange that NBC, ABC, and CBS didn't report it on their prime time news program.

AP News Story.




Gee... and people say that there isn't any bias in the media and that it's all a vast right wing conspiracy. Obama said we were losing the war, Pelosi said we were losing the war, and so has Reid said that both the war is lost and that the surge has failed.

This crap makes me sick. We're winning the war and the liberals back home want us to lose for political gain....
Just throwing it out there, haven't both the NY Times AND LA Times suffered more than others in this hardship? If I recall, the LA Times went bankrupt... Or nearly did...
 
Just throwing it out there, haven't both the NY Times AND LA Times suffered more than others in this hardship? If I recall, the LA Times went bankrupt... Or nearly did...

I don't think that the problems the above mentioned papers are having has anything to do with the recession. I think their bias is finally being realized and people are tired of reading the same old stuff.
 
I don't think that the problems the above mentioned papers are having has anything to do with the recession. I think their bias is finally being realized and people are tired of reading the same old stuff.
I'm just saying they weren't having trouble until George Bush started going under... And that there is absolutely no way anyone from either side of the political spectrum can say ANYTHING about the other side having more bias. The day Fox News admits to it is the day I'll see pigs fly.


I hardly hear about the media being a right wing conspiracy. In fact, I hear more about it being a liberal bias than anything else... But people will have their subjects of paranoia.



As for the personal opinion versus fact... Humans are incapable of giving descriptions of solid fact without putting SOME sort of opinion into the article... It's not the way our language works. Unless news reporters start reporting articles like this: Death toll Palestine: xxx Death toll Israel: xxx


Then there will be an opinion in there somewhere.
 
I'm just saying they weren't having trouble until George Bush started going under... And that there is absolutely no way anyone from either side of the political spectrum can say ANYTHING about the other side having more bias. The day Fox News admits to it is the day I'll see pigs fly.

May absence of bias is a little too idealistic. I do think that Fox News has less bias than all the others. Here is a list of some liberals that Foxnews has had on their network.
Ellis Heinican, Susan Estrich, Chris Wallace, Geraldo Rivera, Alan Colmes, Bernie Sanders, John Edwards, Mark Mellman, Terry McAuliffe, Rev. Al Sharpton, Rev. Jesse Jackson, Sen. Dennis Kucinich, Rep. Charles Rangle, Minister Hashim Nzinga, Geraldine Ferraro, Bob Beckel, Lanny Davis, Joe Lieberman, Tammy Bruce, Pat Caddell, Neal Gabler, Jane Hall, Jeff Cohen, Juan WIlliams, Mara Liason, Morton Kondracke, Rosie O'Donnell, Ed Asner, Steven Baldwin, Alec Baldwin, Matt Damon, Mike Farrell
from: http://www.thatgayconservative.com/2008/03/no-liberals-on-fox-news.html
 
According to an ABC report Obamas inauguration is costing $170,000,000.
George Bushs inauguration cost $42,300,000.
That's just over 4 times as much.

This is what a UK paper is reporting about the cost.
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090120.INAUGURALCOST20/TPStory/International

Overheard. "Man this taxpayer money spends real easy."

Point of Clarification: Taxpayers only pay for Security (which is the primary cost) everything else is by Private Donations.

List of Donors is here:

http://www.wral.com/news/political/page/4324089/
 
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HokieMSG

I think you have accidentally illustrated just how bias FOX NEWS is. By labeling people as liberals - that aren't really liberal. Alan Colmes for example has publicaly stated hes a Moderate, Joe Lieberman is a conservative Independent, and one not on the list but often mentioned is Hillary Clinton, who is a moderate Democrat.

The fact is FOX NEWS labels everyone who is not lockstep conservative as a "Liberal". They have even labeled people like John McCain as a Liberal. That's like calling Adolf Hitler a supporter of Democracy.

Also on the list of "liberals" are people of limited political intelligence (a.k.a Hollywood Liberals). People that are so dumb (Mods: yes I broke the rules...sorry) that they can be easily manipulated. For example, the rights favorite punchbag Michael Moore. Conservatives on FOX treat this guy as the sacred bastion of liberalism...hes a dimwit and all the real liberals know it...as does FOX, that's why they keep having him on. But while Michael Moore is entertaining, nobody on the left really takes his films too seriously or likes him personally. Ditto for the rest of Hollywood.

Watching a political debate on FOX is like watching wrestling. Its fixed, and you can tell ahead of time who is going to win.

Which brings me to people who are NOT on that list. This is the part that's really telling of what a fraud news Channel it is. Those are the real leaders of Liberal Philosophy (a.k.a people who know what they are talking about), people like Paul Krugman, Keith Olberman, Rachel Maddow, Al Franken, Ed Schultz, Moreen Dowd, Bob Herbert, etc. Its a VERY rare moment you see these people on FOX. That's the bias. They will put intellectual Conservatives against liberals with superior egos but vastly inferior intellect.

As I said, its like watch wrestling.

Its very obvious why FOX and other Conservative groups keep these people away, because every time one of those FOX "journalists" (I use that term loosely) goes on a head-to-head interview against one of the people on the list they get spanked. You have people like Franken and Olberman who have repeated asked Roger Ailes for a 1 on 1 interview with people like Sean Hannity. FOX has repeatedly refused. They can find time for Rosie or Sean Penn, but anyone with any Liberal with an IQ greater than a shoebox is blacklisted.

Thats why they are biased. FOX does not allow liberals to have a real voice. They put inferiors or "token" liberals to resemble a fair debate. Compare that to the NYT. It leans left, but the difference is that they have well respected conservatives like David Brooks, Charles Krauthammer, Bill Bennett, William Kristol on the staff as well.

There have been examples where FOX staff members have met Liberals on other networks. My Favorite was Bill O'Reilly vs Paul Krugman on Tim Russert, which was a hilarious because O'Reilly actually thought he know more about economics than a Nobel peace prize winner.


For the record I have no problem with FOX, they are entitled to their opinion. But whats not right is that they call themselves a NEWS channel. A NEWS channal is supposed to be fair and objective. FOX is neither. By comparison Keith Olberman doesnt call his show a NEWS channal, because its obvious that he isn't trying to be objective.
 
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