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Is Texas trying to become part of China?
Is Texas trying to become part of China?
LEO's Poaching in the Lone Star
You have got to be joking! What's next? They invade your home after the were informed of your liqour purchase? "I am sorry m'am but we have to arrest you because you might drive a car."
The reasons given can be done at home as well.... better yet: what is the chance of jumping of a balcony into a pool in a public street? I'll bet almost next to nothing.... so what is this spokeswoman implying?
The reasons given can be done at home as well.... better yet: what is the chance of jumping of a balcony into a pool in a public street? I'll bet almost next to nothing.... so what is this spokeswoman implying?
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Ahhh.....
Arresting folks for being drunk in a bar. Yup, I think the Sheriffs out in Texas have been in the sun a little too long.
I see it as one of those touchy feely operations. Someone in Texas has a lot of power and they don't like drinking.
This will be taken to court and the LEOs will be struck down for it.
Arresting folks for being drunk in a bar. Yup, I think the Sheriffs out in Texas have been in the sun a little too long.
I see it as one of those touchy feely operations. Someone in Texas has a lot of power and they don't like drinking.
This will be taken to court and the LEOs will be struck down for it.
Marinerhodes
Active member
What in the heck are they thinking? Who is to say that those individuals would even be driving?!?!
I would definitely be up in arms about this. Technically you can have one beer and be considered publicly intoxicated if your blood alchohol content is above the legal limit described by law. I mean geez.
Darwinism at work if you ask me.
I would definitely be up in arms about this. Technically you can have one beer and be considered publicly intoxicated if your blood alchohol content is above the legal limit described by law. I mean geez.
Darwinism at work if you ask me.
Marinerhodes
Active member
So it would seem. You would think they would just sit in the parking lot until people tried to get in their car then stop them there. Makes no sense to me. Now bar sales are going to be down and the men and women that work them are going to be making less money etc. Not to mention the taxes and other revenues produced by the bars. Meh, lots of things that it will affect.
Whispering Death
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TABC is going nuts, I can say as a Dallas resident. Texas has always been like this, blame it on "conservative values" or whatever. We want to legalize alcohol then slap every conceivable law against it we can... it's really schizophrenic.
On the best Dallas weekend talk radio show about law, they where discussing this and two guys called up who said they where arrested without being formally charged at Dallas-area bars. There is, in fact, a little known police power in Texas that the TABC can use where you can arrest someone without having the necessary "probable cause" to charge them. So if a TABC officer decides to use his discretion in a bar he can take you to Lou Sterret without even giving you a sobriety test or anything.
The first caller said he had just moved from out of state and a TABC officer approached him and he thought it was a joke... because he'd never heard of the TABC before. He thought it was like an off duty security guard or whatever. And the officer arrested him and took him to Lou Sterret under that rule even though he hadn't had a single drink and was asking for a sobriety test. (that was the call that brought up the subject of that dubious police power).
A second caller called in saying he was one of the most recent arrested and that he was taken to LSU (an affectionate phrase we Dallas-ites have for Lou Sterret University) because he was holding 3 drinks coming back from the bar to give to his friends... apparently under Texas law you can't hold that many at a time. He was never charged, he was released the next morning.
Aparently that particular rule is meant for like, taking people out of riot scenes or other such flamable situations on officer discretion so even if you can't charge them you can calm the situation... and it's been taken to insane extremes in our state. Yet it's difficult to challenge because, you arn't charged, so you arn't really in the legal system and don't have any real damages... difficult to challenge a ruling when you arn't ever ruled guilty!
I think the TABC is trying to show its "effectiveness" for some kind of political funds or something. That's how government works.
On the best Dallas weekend talk radio show about law, they where discussing this and two guys called up who said they where arrested without being formally charged at Dallas-area bars. There is, in fact, a little known police power in Texas that the TABC can use where you can arrest someone without having the necessary "probable cause" to charge them. So if a TABC officer decides to use his discretion in a bar he can take you to Lou Sterret without even giving you a sobriety test or anything.
The first caller said he had just moved from out of state and a TABC officer approached him and he thought it was a joke... because he'd never heard of the TABC before. He thought it was like an off duty security guard or whatever. And the officer arrested him and took him to Lou Sterret under that rule even though he hadn't had a single drink and was asking for a sobriety test. (that was the call that brought up the subject of that dubious police power).
A second caller called in saying he was one of the most recent arrested and that he was taken to LSU (an affectionate phrase we Dallas-ites have for Lou Sterret University) because he was holding 3 drinks coming back from the bar to give to his friends... apparently under Texas law you can't hold that many at a time. He was never charged, he was released the next morning.
Aparently that particular rule is meant for like, taking people out of riot scenes or other such flamable situations on officer discretion so even if you can't charge them you can calm the situation... and it's been taken to insane extremes in our state. Yet it's difficult to challenge because, you arn't charged, so you arn't really in the legal system and don't have any real damages... difficult to challenge a ruling when you arn't ever ruled guilty!
I think the TABC is trying to show its "effectiveness" for some kind of political funds or something. That's how government works.
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Marinerhodes
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Unlawful retention or some such law. They aren't charged but they are retained by the authorities for a certain period of time. I would have to say if I was arrested I would be getting myself a lawyer. They are arresting these people on the charge of creating a bad situation "at their discretion". If their judgement is called into play and a case goes to court how soon do you think it will be before the media makes a laughingstock out of the TABC? Case in point, the guy that didn't have a drink at all etc. What was he doing that got him arrested? What was so bad about what he was doing that caused TABC "at their discretion" to take him away?
Whispering Death
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I've been reading up and this is classic government abuse.
The TABC is Dallas recruited 60 new officers over the past year. So all of this has been about justifying their budget. "Look at what we're doing!"
They went all the way out to the 7 points area and hit every bar in places like Gun Barell City in one night. I don't have to explain to you, I think the town's name, Gun Barell City, pretty much tells you think kind of backwards towns we're talking about here.
The press from this is so bad that the Dallas tourism board is rasising hell because it's impacting convention business. The TABC had a "sting" where they went around arresting people for public intoxication who where walking from a hotel bar back to their hotel room. That's insane.
What's really F*ed up about this whole thing is I'm going to be watching the Ultimate Fighting Pay Per View event at a sports-bar in Dallas since I'll be in town for Easter. I'm legitimately worried that if I get into the fights, even if I haven't had one beer, I could be spending Easter in jail! All the arrests are based on officer discretion, there's no breathalizer, no counting the alphabet backwards, nothing. Officer doesn't like what you're doing, you spend the weekend in jail. And they're, of course, under cover agents.
And what really pisses me off is we can't come up with the money to stop illiegal immigrants from comming accross into Texas but we can afford 60 new Dallas TABC officers to arrest people for drinking at bars! We can't find the cash to stop the illiegals but terrorising our own citizens, oh we can come up with the cash for that!
The TABC is Dallas recruited 60 new officers over the past year. So all of this has been about justifying their budget. "Look at what we're doing!"
They went all the way out to the 7 points area and hit every bar in places like Gun Barell City in one night. I don't have to explain to you, I think the town's name, Gun Barell City, pretty much tells you think kind of backwards towns we're talking about here.
The press from this is so bad that the Dallas tourism board is rasising hell because it's impacting convention business. The TABC had a "sting" where they went around arresting people for public intoxication who where walking from a hotel bar back to their hotel room. That's insane.
What's really F*ed up about this whole thing is I'm going to be watching the Ultimate Fighting Pay Per View event at a sports-bar in Dallas since I'll be in town for Easter. I'm legitimately worried that if I get into the fights, even if I haven't had one beer, I could be spending Easter in jail! All the arrests are based on officer discretion, there's no breathalizer, no counting the alphabet backwards, nothing. Officer doesn't like what you're doing, you spend the weekend in jail. And they're, of course, under cover agents.
And what really pisses me off is we can't come up with the money to stop illiegal immigrants from comming accross into Texas but we can afford 60 new Dallas TABC officers to arrest people for drinking at bars! We can't find the cash to stop the illiegals but terrorising our own citizens, oh we can come up with the cash for that!
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Marinerhodes
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That is a good question. How are the citizens taking this? Is anyone trying to get rid of this particular piece of nasty?