Leopard 2 vs. Abrams

Leopard 2 vs. Abrams

  • Leopard 2

    Votes: 12 50.0%

  • Abrams

    Votes: 12 50.0%
  • Total voters
    24
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the_13th_redneck said:
That's a pretty big statement.
I can think of a lot of worse things to be riding around in.
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im talking about best of the best and not cheap junk and m1 is considered battle tested and realiable tank.

but when it comes to real war where everything is detirmined by strategy,timing,morale,spirit,supplies

then m1 gets a -1 for supplies.
 
the_13th_redneck said:
You and what real war experience?
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are you my sister that you know me? or my brother?


to your knowledge redneck Latvia was part of USSR and USSR was in afghanistan.
as for real large scale wars - both of my grandfathers been in the war from mothers and fathers side. 1 pilot 1 tank commander.
 
Yeah but not you.
I have folks who have been in wars, one of which has been in two but I don't pretend like I have experienced war.
What's your military experience anyway?
 
the_13th_redneck said:
Yeah but not you.
I have folks who have been in wars, one of which has been in two but I don't pretend like I have experienced war.
What's your military experience anyway?
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first of all who said I did? i just provided food for your mind to think over.

i have 0 expierience, love history and wars and all of it but im not sure id love war, i think I do but im not totaly sure. i have expierienced gun fights but nothing of war. gun fights - 90's in former soviet republics.
mostly ak,hand guns and explosives | grenades.
 
19KiloDevilDog said:
M1A1, devastating firepower and well armored lol plus i will be in one soon enough!!!!!!
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and its quite precise.

the_13th_redneck said:
Care to elaborate on your gun fights?
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mostly mobsters and things like that, its morning im busy.

simply devide of power amongst business men during 90s and i was involved but i do not hold any businesses.

former soviet republics and Russia can be compared to the wild west during the 90's
 
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The Abrams indefinitely, not only because it's proven in combat, but also because the longer something is out, the more bugs and errors and problems you are able to work out. So if you put a 100 abrams up against a 100 Leopard 2s on different terrains around the world, the leos will most likely lose because they have more unforeseen problems that will occur. Thats my opinion
 
Rayelth said:
The Abrams indefinitely, not only because it's proven in combat,
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Against third world powers with total aerial superiority, not much of combat proof.
Rayelth said:
but also because the longer something is out, the more bugs and errors and problems you are able to work out.
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Thats nice, Leopard is "out" a year longer than M1.
Rayelth said:
So if you put a 100 abrams up against a 100 Leopard 2s on different terrains around the world, the leos will most likely lose because they have more unforeseen problems that will occur. Thats my opinion
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Which Leopards against which Abrams? Both tanks have, pardon my latin, an asston of variants which make a huge difference, an original M1 would require a 2-4 numerical superiority to have a chance against Leo2A6M likewise original 2A4 would require similar against M1A2 Sep.

100 Leopard 2s vs 100 Abrams :rolleyes:
 
Far to even to call, they are essentially twins. The M1 is slightly faster, but the Leopard has a longer range.

I will have to say the M1 because its been proven very effective in combat, and the Leopard 2 has yet to see a real foe.


That and im always pulling for the Home team ^^
 
Britney said:
Far to even to call, they are essentially twins. The M1 is slightly faster, but the Leopard has a longer range.

I will have to say the M1 because its been proven very effective in combat, and the Leopard 2 has yet to see a real foe.


That and im always pulling for the Home team ^^
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As said before, it has only been proven against T-72's of a poorly trained and inexperienced army, not to mention the tanks themselves didnt even have GPS or night vision, and the majority uses training rounds.

And the USA also had total air superiority.
 
Zastava-Arms said:
As said before, it has only been proven against T-72's of a poorly trained and inexperienced army, not to mention the tanks themselves didnt even have GPS or night vision, and the majority uses training rounds.

And the USA also had total air superiority.
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Erm, the Iraqi army was not inexperienced, they had more experience then most armies. They just fought a decade war with Iran, and took Kuwait. The Republican guard was decently trained.. Its the Soviet crews id be worried about. The crews of the T-72s where the elite of the Iraqi armored corps.

Training rounds? According to who? A few did due to logistical problems, but by no means the majority. Where do you read otherwise? Are you thinking of the T-55s?
 
Have any tests or competitions been done to prove the Abrams is better? because from my experience, just because it hasn't seen combat doesn't make it better.
 
Yin717 said:
Have any tests or competitions been done to prove the Abrams is better? because from my experience, just because it hasn't seen combat doesn't make it better.
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I dont think it makes it better, but i do think the Leopard 2 like any other piece of equipment is going to find out it has problems under fire. Maybe it's gas lines are prone to rupture if it gets hit with a HE round. I remember the AH-64 was a lot more vulnerable to ground fire than it was thought in the first gulf war.

We found out a lot about the M1, worst being how vulnerable it was to IEDs, or any ground charge. We also found out its armor was more resilient than many people thought it would be- same with the Challenger 2 witch proved to be quite tough to knock out contrary to a lot of people's concerns that the new armor wouldn't hold together from a hit. As history proved it did more than hold together, held together and gave it back to the enemy with interest.

I'm proud of NATO tanks, damn fine machines.
 
But hasn't the Leopard 2 had more contractors for it? I know that at least 3 countries, I think Spain, Denmark and Sweden, have got contracts to build the Leopard 2. Well, leopard 2A6 I think actually. Sweden also got rid of their S-Tank's to replace them with Leopard 2's, and I thought the S-Tank was a darn good tank. it's actually my favourite! :)
 
Yin717 said:
But hasn't the Leopard 2 had more contractors for it? I know that at least 3 countries, I think Spain, Denmark and Sweden, have got contracts to build the Leopard 2. Well, leopard 2A6 I think actually. Sweden also got rid of their S-Tank's to replace them with Leopard 2's, and I thought the S-Tank was a darn good tank. it's actually my favourite! :)
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Yes, you bring up a pretty good point. In the trials the Leopard 2 has been the top performer, Europe loves the Leopard. In the Greek trials i think the Leopard scored a few points higher than the M1.

To be honest, im pulling a bit for the home team ^_~


I loved the s-tank too, i dont understand why they would do that. It was the perfect take for Sweden to defend her borders with, the long narrow passages made a non-rotatable gun a pretty good choice, its low silhouette made it hard to spot and easy to hide. How expensive was it?
 
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