Originally Posted by Gator

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Good Post?
The Poster in question is not old enough to remember World War II.

Allow me enlighten the Board a bit about World War II, from a statistical standpoint, myself being generations removed from World War II.

The United States of America alone had 16 Million people in Uniform serving in the United States Military, and, the Population of the United States of America was half of what it is today at some 132 million people.
The Draft was also instituted in the United States of America during World War II, so everyone was knee deep in it.
Taxes were greatly increased during World War II.

I have heard loud and clear from some circles of late that Draftees are useless and unworthily individuals, and, I have also heard that there are enough people in the United States Military to take care of US Military commitments that the Nation is currently involved in, at the same time, (unlike in World War II where there was no one year and home) that now its 15 Months and out in Iraq (for Army), but, as noted, during World War II ones “Tour” was until they were killed (or Wounded and unable to fight on) or the War was won.

And, also, I’m told that there is no need for Taxes to increased because of the new War in Iraq, so, at no time is World War II ever allowed to be drawn as a comparison with the War in Iraq today, as far as I’m concerned.

Once could draw comparisons to every war in history to eachother since they are all about ideals...

Are you trying to say that the men and women that are in Iraq and Afghanistan right now are not worth the same credit as the men and woman that fought in WWII, Korea, WWI, the Civil War, The War of 1812, and on and on....

Hey, if BD said the sky was Blue... Gator would come back with a disertation on why it wasn't.

Originally Posted by Team Infidel

Hey, if BD said the sky was Blue... Gator would come back with a disertation on why it wasn't.

You got that right.

Thing is. . . I am still trying to figure out exactly what point he was trying to make. Guess he just wanted to "chime in".

Fitting moniker.

Originally Posted by Team Infidel

Hey, if BD said the sky was Blue... Gator would come back with a disertation on why it wasn't.

Well, actually There is a physical phenomenon called Rayleigh scattering that causes light..... Oops, sorry.

Originally Posted by Missileer

Well, actually There is a physical phenomenon called Rayleigh scattering that causes light..... Oops, sorry.

Do my Posts bother you?

Originally Posted by Gator

Do my Posts bother you?

Not sure I can answer your question but he is correct, the sky is blue because of the Tyndall effect (Rayleigh scattering) by the nitrogen and oxygen molecules in the atmosphere.

I stopped caring a long time ago.

Yup the human visible spectrum of the electromagnetic radiation that the sun emits has it's short wave lengths scattered across the gases that make up our atmosphere hence the blue it is...Because the short length blue waves are scattered across the sky and the longer red and green wavelengths pass through...

Now when one looks at the sky during sun set you see the wave lengths that are not scattered, the reds

Thank you for tunning in to Donkey Science 101

I wish we had blue sky in Scotland, grey seems to be the default colour

Our so-called Expert on Middle Eastern Culture and religion Raymond S. Kraft has several wild opinions and errors in his assertions.

America 's only allies then were England , Ireland , Scotland , Canada , Australia , and Russia . That was about it All of Europe, from Norway to Italy (except Russia in the East) was already under the Nazi heel

Hint: One of the earliest participants of the second world war is missing within Mr. Kraft's list of allied nations.

Russia lost something like 24,000,000 people i n the sieges of Stalingrad and Moscow alone . . 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more than a 1,000,000 soldiers

Casualty count and statistics are largely inaccurate. Moscow was never besieged. The Battle of Moscow was a Soviet Counter-offensive. I assume the writer is referring to the Siege of Leningrad instead.

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein. Whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved in the 9/11 terrorist attack or not, it is undisputed that Saddam has been actively supporting the terrorist movement for decades Saddam is a terrorist! & nbsp; Saddam is, or was, a weapon of mass destruction, responsible for the deaths of probably more than a 1,000,000 Iraqis and 2,000,000 Iranians .

The word "undisputed" and Saddam actively supporting terrorist movements is highly disputed therefore they do not share the same sentence. There is still a lack of evidence to prove the Baathist Party's involvement in any listed terrorist organization in the world.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism in Iraq. We have focused the battle. We are killing bad people, and the ones we get there we won't have to get here. We also have a good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is needed .

The geo-strategic reference is not making progress. The current government of Iraq is predominantly Shiite, who are friendly to Iran. MEK and the Iranian government have been undoubtedly supporting Shiite factions. Sectarian divide is edging towards civil war.

The Iraq war has, so far, cost the United States about $160,000,000,000, which is roughly what the 9/11 terrorist attack cost New York. It has also cost about 3,000 American lives, which is roughly equivilant to lives that the Jihad killed (within the United States) in the 9/11 terrorist attack .

Correction to Mr. Craft's statement, NYC Comptroller report a 95 Billion USD loss during 9/11. The Iraq reconstruction efforts have been hampered by the lack of internal control over the misuse of reconstruction funds. Many of these credits have been converted to cash making it difficult to trace the transactions and no paper-trail exists to trace the tremendous loss of both Iraq's treasury and the reconstruction funds.

1 . We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

1. Requires a global consent and much much more important allies such as Russia, China, India, and Pakistan, who all exert tremendous amount of influence over the Islamic State, to join and honor the NPT.

2 . We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as early as next year, if Iran 's progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it is).

2. Once again, it requires an active and powerful alliance. The US will have to persuade China, India, and Russia to join the group.

The history of the world is the history of civilization clashes, cultural clashes. All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be like, and the most determined always win.

There are over 100 answers and thesis of what causes war. Ideology is simply not the only one.

The stakes are at least as high . . A world dominated by representative governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms . . or a world dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, by the Jihad, under the Mullahs and the Sharia (Islamic law) .

Many countries in the global south are not concerned about either of these, so therefore you see a rise of countries who are not aligned with either of them. For example Socialist movements are receiving wide popularity in South America and Africa.

Lastly it appears the person did not experience or perhaps researched the Second World War well. The strategy, the type of warfare, the type of enemy, doctrines, tactics, are all very distinct between the Second World War and the War in Iraq.