Was justice done in Iraq or doesn't the military care?




 
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Boots
 
June 22nd, 2008  
errol
 
 

Topic: Was justice done in Iraq or doesn't the military care?


How innocent were these Marines? Was justice done?

Some of the details here are very disturbing. Do we really care about the ordinary Iraqi? I'm not so sure now.


http://www.mcclatchydc.com/world/story/41817.html
June 22nd, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
I don't think you ever thought so but aside from this I'm pretty worried about the case as well. The military justice loses its credibility if any foreign party always loses the case. Also it sends the message, "to us, you're not even people." So much for winning hearts and minds.
June 22nd, 2008  
The Other Guy
 
 
If you're in there to protect them, which we supposedly are, those Marines are guilty. No justice done.
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June 22nd, 2008  
MontyB
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Guy
If you're in there to protect them, which we supposedly are, those Marines are guilty. No justice done.
The problem how do you know they are guilty or innocent?

When you have a case of peers investigating each other then there will always be allegations of cover up (just look at things like medical review boards, bar association reviews, police complaints boards etc.) but that does not mean they do not do the job.
June 27th, 2008  
errol
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Other Guy
If you're in there to protect them, which we supposedly are, those Marines are guilty. No justice done.
It has always bothered me, Other Guy, that do we really care about the average Iraqi civilian? The US is going to be in Iraq for a very long time. It needs all the support it can get.
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June 27th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
What the involvement in Iraq needs:

1) Trust. Make sure the Iraqis know the US will be staying for a VERY long time.
2) Respect. No one wants help if they're not given respect.
June 27th, 2008  
major liability
 
 
What a mess. Unfortunately it cannot be avoided when the enemy is firing from within crowds and civilian homes. But then there's no way to confirm the story of either side so I won't pass judgment either way.
July 4th, 2008  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by major liability
What a mess. Unfortunately it cannot be avoided when the enemy is firing from within crowds and civilian homes. But then there's no way to confirm the story of either side so I won't pass judgment either way.
you really need to watch the entire 60 minute interview. The guy said that the clear rooms by barging in and shooting everything that moves. Even my friend who is a former Marine thought that guy would be found guilty after watching the interview.

On a somewhat related note, the USMC chaptered out a Marine who threw a puppy off a cliff and apparently killed it.

I am not happy with the decision to dismiss all charges.
July 5th, 2008  
A Can of Man
 
 
When they do these kinds of things, they make the US military justice system a joke.
July 6th, 2008  
mmarsh
 
 
The fact remains

24 civilians (including children) were killed by US troops and there is no accountability. If it was a few you might get away with describing it as an accident, but 24 civilians is a sure lot of accidents.

My thoughts are

1. As Redneck said: the message to Iraqis "Your lives are worth nothing"
2. The propaganda created that the insurgence and al qaeda will certainly use.
3. The fate of US troops that are ever captured.
 


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