We guys know it all.
Been there done that.
Seen them come and go.
You´re not the first superhero we have met.
What have you been through? Combat?

Originally Posted by JackIMF

When did I ever say I know it all? None of you know anything about what I've been thru. I'm not some pampered naive kid who thinks there entitled to anything. In fact I probably have had a tougher life than most of you when you were 17. The reason I came here was to get advice on how to join one not about how I should get a real job and keep my head out of the clouds. You guys think you know it all, talking about how I wouldn't make it through basic training and crap like that, we newsflash, a lot of people do, millions in fact.

Riiiiggght. Why don't you cry some more. This is what happens when you act like a child among adults. We don't have to pander to your fantasies and if you think it is going to be any different when you get out of high school then think again. This is life. Nobody gives a crap about what you've been through and that's the truth. We are NOT your friends or your mother. We aren't here to pat you on the head and say "good boy, oh yes you can do whatever you want". You ARE living a delusion if you think this is a good idea. If you grew up in the US then you are pampered and naive and your response reeks of exceptionalism. Once you actually have to be in the third world for any length of time you'll see just how cheap life is and how good you've had it. Grow up....

Originally Posted by brinktk

Mostly...I would be lying if I said that there weren't quite a few who make it through IET with the sense of entitlement that characterizes this younger generation still intact. Quite a few know it alls too, just like this kid. Maybe I'm just getting older, but I don't remember privates, or civilians even, being as disrespectful as I have seen the last 5 years in the Army. It isn't a lot, but it is enough to realize there is a problem out there much bigger than BCT/OSUT can handle.

I got into it with a kid a few months ago because he wanted to know what combat was like. I told him he wouldn't understand and by the way he was talking it was clear he thought he was something special. He was supposed to join the Army as an infantryman and was trying to get a feel for how it all goes. I told him that he was no different than anyone else, he was the same...utterly the same. He didn't like it at all, then he went on a tirade calling me a coward and that I fear death and all kinds of nonsense. It was comical...but sad at the same time. When I came in the Army, or even before then, when a combat veteran talked, you shut the fvck up and listened...I guess we are a dime a dozen these days...

Well if a recruit gets in my face (this only works for us) we just yell louder, hold away chow, demand more PT, etc etc. But I do agree. I remember growing up listening to ' em talk.

Originally Posted by Kesse81

We guys know it all.
Been there done that.
Seen them come and go.
You´re not the first superhero we have met.
What have you been through? Combat?

Apparently he lost some family so we have to put on kid gloves and tell him he's well adjusted and good to go because he is a self professed "well adjusted and respectful" individual that isn't "naive or pampered.".......

Just like all the others

Originally Posted by brinktk

Apparently he lost some family so we have to put on kid gloves and tell him he's well adjusted and good to go because he is a self professed "well adjusted and respectful" individual that isn't "naive or pampered.".......

Just like all the others

Losing a family member can be traumatic, but it just doesn´t count down range.

Originally Posted by Kesse81

Losing a family member can be traumatic, but it just doesn´t count down range.

As always it ain't the cards you're dealt that matter. It's what your play b

Originally Posted by crazytanker

Nah let him come join the Army. He'll get a dose of reality when that Drill Sergeant gets in his face.

I suspect that would depend on which Army he joined because while American Drill Sergeants may like shouting and shit Kiwi ones are much quieter.

There are multiple ways of achieving a goal without showering someone in spit.

Originally Posted by brinktk

So you are going to come in here and dictate terms on what we can say to you because you think you are the exception to the rule just like every other 17 year old in the world. If you had this all lined up then why the hell did you come on here to ask anyways?

You think you don't care if you will die... I laugh at you. You don't have any clue what you are talking about in any of this, especially death. That crap might work on your buddies when you are standing around trying to be tough tough. Guys like me see right through the BS fascade and know you are actually just posturing little boys. The thing you don't realize is that in a combat environment, that BS will not only get you killed, but others killed too.

You're entitled to nothing! Pull your head outta your ass and realize that what you're talking about is a pipedream. If you don't have experience, noone will hire you period. Welcome to reality.

I am not sure you are reading the same thread I am because it seems to me you may have misread his first post and then gone off on a wild tangent since then.

Originally Posted by MontyB

I suspect that would depend on which Army he joined because while American Drill Sergeants may like shouting and shit Kiwi ones are much quieter.

There are multiple ways of achieving a goal without showering someone in spit.

Completely off topic but why are New Zealanders called "Kiwis"...?

Originally Posted by crazytanker

Completely off topic but why are New Zealanders called "Kiwis"...?

Because the Kiwi is our national bird, the rumour is that it is a friendly, inoffensive bird that lives on the forest floor however we prefer the other comment that it eats, roots and leaves.



Anyway a better explanation can be found on Wiki surprisingly...

Kiwi is the nickname used internationally for people from New Zealand,[1] as well as being a relatively common self-reference. The name derives from the kiwi, a flightless bird, which is native to, and the national symbol of, New Zealand. Unlike many demographic labels, its usage is not considered offensive; it is generally viewed as a symbol of pride and endearment for the people of New Zealand.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_%28people%29

Originally Posted by MontyB

Because the Kiwi is our national bird, the rumour is that it is a friendly, inoffensive bird that lives on the forest floor however we prefer the other comment that it eats, roots and leaves.



Anyway a better explanation can be found on Wiki surprisingly...



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi_%28people%29

Monty we're cool but I have to say this. The US has the Eagle, and Drill Sergeants that yell and scream. NZ has the Kiwi, and Drill Instructors who ask nicely. Coincidence? I think not!