Japanese military and politic -- Discussion and details.




 
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Boots
 
December 30th, 2004  
Ezechiel
 

Topic: Japanese military and politic -- Discussion and details.


http://www.gotfacts.com/militaryexpenserank.php

From that link we sees Japanese military expense rise on to 5th in year 2003. Few years ago I read in my newspaper article that China military expense is actually less than the Japanese even.

I also read an article few days ago which written that Japan have become the country that have the highest military expense in Asia this year.

The Japanese every says that they need to become proper country by having troops and blablabla. But we see their military developement, we know that their military power have become more than a Defending troops should be.

Also, the Japanese military r actually more powerful than many other countries in Asia. No one in South East Asia can beat them, Korean cannot beat them. Even for China, it would have been a myst.
January 9th, 2005  
gingerbeard
 
again simple logic, if the US cannot beat china in the korean war. and even the chinese are able to make a stalmate with US and UN forces. you much remember that the technology gap between china and US was very great at that time. nowadays its different. it is not that much of a gap anymore. and china can launch its men to space (involves very complex technology here) which shows they missile technology is very advance and also they have teh resources.
china today do have some very advance technology lately, just go to china's army forum as i posted the sources there.
invading a country isnt easy either. there are plenty of examples. even if u manage to beat the army, u cannot really beat its people. like Iraq today.
also today china has ICBMs which could blow up the world several times, so no country could really win a war with countries that has nuclear weapons.
January 9th, 2005  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by gingerbeard
again simple logic, if the US cannot beat china in the korean war. and even the chinese are able to make a stalmate with US and UN forces. you much remember that the technology gap between china and US was very great at that time. nowadays its different. it is not that much of a gap anymore. and china can launch its men to space (involves very complex technology here) which shows they missile technology is very advance and also they have teh resources.
china today do have some very advance technology lately, just go to china's army forum as i posted the sources there.
invading a country isnt easy either. there are plenty of examples. even if u manage to beat the army, u cannot really beat its people. like Iraq today.
also today china has ICBMs which could blow up the world several times, so no country could really win a war with countries that has nuclear weapons.
I think you greatly over estimate China's technology while underestimating Japan. China can not destroy the world many times over like you said, France and the UK probably can't, the US and Russia can however. China only has a handful of missiles that can hit the US. Japan has ever right and plenty of reason to be building up their armed forces, China is an aggressive country who is building up their own military, in the future Japan's Navy will be one of the first weapons used to stop Chinese expansion should they attempt to invade Japan, and Japan's Navy has a large head start on China, who has a brown water fleet and only a handful of ocean going combat vessels.

China's power is land based, a few miles of water are all that are needed to safe guard a nation from China, Russia has more to fear from China than Japan. Southeast Asia is in trouble as well as some of the former Soviet Republics, maybe even Pakistan and India. In 20 years China may have more of a Navy, but if Japan's military budget keeps increasing or at least stays the same then Japan will have the edge in a war with China, they probably wouldn't be able to defeat China, but the same is probably true when turned around.
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January 9th, 2005  
gingerbeard
 
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Originally Posted by Damien435
China is an aggressive country who is building up their own military, in the future Japan's Navy will be one of the first weapons used to stop Chinese expansion should they attempt to invade Japan, and Japan's Navy has a large head start on China, who has a brown water fleet and only a handful of ocean going combat vessels.

China's power is land based, a few miles of water are all that are needed to safe guard a nation from China, Russia has more to fear from China than Japan. Southeast Asia is in trouble as well as some of the former Soviet Republics, maybe even Pakistan and India. In 20 years China may have more of a Navy, but if Japan's military budget keeps increasing or at least stays the same then Japan will have the edge in a war with China, they probably wouldn't be able to defeat China, but the same is probably true when turned around.
then u r very wrong about china has a HANDFUL of ICBMs , someone with common sense would know that is not true. read this article then u can judge that urself, i think u havent read about chinese military for a year or 2. http://www.kimsoft.com/korea/ch-war.htm

also the chinese have the kilo class submarines, also they do have exceptional Agis crusiers. they are more likely to use it on taiwan, that's why they build up their navy. the chinese do have some pretty advance technology lately. at least they can develop their own Awacs http://www.centurychina.com/plaboard.../3682619.shtml

i do agree that japanese have better technology than the chinese, but japan will not win if they invade since the chinese do have large number of nuclear weapons and could destroy the whole japanese island before they could react. but u have seriously underestimated the chinese army. and you got to realised that china's economy will become second very soon. and read this because it shows their navy capability too http://www.garnertedarmstrong.ws/Mar...news0015.shtml

china's army cannot take japan just yet. perhaps in the near future since they dont have enough landing crafts to commence the assult. and yes china's nuclear missles is enough to destroy the world.
January 9th, 2005  
Big_Z
 
 
I think the Chinese people focus way to much on nukes instead of conventional warfare. You cant just launch a nuke and get away with it, If China launched a nuke at Japan the Chinese skies would be raining nukes courtesy of the US. Japan has an extremely powerful navy, more powerful then most believe. I've heard that their technology is pretty much on par with the US military as well.
January 9th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
is everybody here agree that Japan's geography makes it a very very vulnerable nation...

a conventional warhead sent to tokyo can eaisly kill thousands, (everyone knows it if u been to there, see how concentrated popluation are), and we are not yet talking about using nukes


Japan is really an island nation, lacks of resources needed for its huge industry, and it is very vulnerable for a naval blockade or oil embargo

if japan wants to invade china now...i dont think it will happen..japanese are far smarter than they were in 1920s (ultra-nationalism)

and china really has no ability to land in japan or naval blockade japan something

but china is such a huge nation with lots of resources, (the recent dicovery of huge amount of oil and natural gas in XingJiang province shows it, and chinese government will save it as stragitic reserve)

china's economy will surpass japan in i think maxium of 15 years as teh second largest economy in the world.

japan does not really have the potential of being a super power again....
just like Britain cant control 1/4 of world agian as it did in 1800s..
January 9th, 2005  
Damien435
 
 
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Originally Posted by Sexybeast
is everybody here agree that Japan's geography makes it a very very vulnerable nation...
No.

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a conventional warhead sent to tokyo can eaisly kill thousands, (everyone knows it if u been to there, see how concentrated popluation are), and we are not yet talking about using nukes
China would become one of the largest plates of glass in the world if they committed such an act.

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Japan is really an island nation, lacks of resources needed for its huge industry, and it is very vulnerable for a naval blockade or oil embargo
But they are American allies so the resources will flow and only The US, Russia, and UK have the means to blockade, two of those three are allies with Japan and Japan itself has a good size Navy which apppears to be getting better.

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if japan wants to invade china now...i dont think it will happen..japanese are far smarter than they were in 1920s (ultra-nationalism)
What is the nationalist rise again in China causing another civil war?

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and china really has no ability to land in japan or naval blockade japan something
True.

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but china is such a huge nation with lots of resources, (the recent dicovery of huge amount of oil and natural gas in XingJiang province shows it, and chinese government will save it as stragitic reserve)
So like the US with Alaska.

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china's economy will surpass japan in i think maxium of 15 years as teh second largest economy in the world.
Guess we will find out when the time comes.

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japan does not really have the potential of being a super power again....
just like Britain cant control 1/4 of world agian as it did in 1800s..
The US and USSR didn't colonize one quarter of the world but those two nations were super powers.
January 9th, 2005  
Sexybeast
 
u r a funny guy
tell me why u dont agree japan's geography makes it vulnerable,
such concentrated industry and population will be easy targets for any country , not just china (not mentioin ur unreasonable attitude towards china)

second..i said china does not have ability to do that now.. how about other countries..japan's rise is a global problem, not just china's problem
japan will not forget who put 2 nukes on their land..just like china won't forget who killed 20 million of its citizens..

third, in short terms, nationalists cannot rise up, 23 million vs 1.3 billion..tough fight, so ur dream of china's civil war and destruction cannot be realized yet



and U.S is not a country producing oil and sent to japan..U.S even have to buy oil for itself

and i dont know why u keep menitoning U.S while we are discussing japan..some alaska thing..i dont care

Guess u will find out china's economy become second largest?
well according to the speed of increasing on GDP, it is possible

my overall impression of ur last post is that u have a weird hatre towards chinese ppl....and u want to pick a fight on it..keep it to urself, proud american
January 9th, 2005  
Big_Z
 
 
"and i dont know why u keep menitoning U.S while we are discussing japan..some alaska thing..i dont care "

Why do you keep mentioning China? You are the guy saying "you underestimate China" in a Japanese topic. He is probobaly like me and getting tired of Chinese people bringing China into every single topic.
January 9th, 2005  
devilwasp
 
Just wondering, you know how japan and china have a ...to say the least...a hate / hate relationship.
What do you guys or gals think would happen if say in the future a japanses warship drifted into chinese waters?
Blown out of the water?
Boarded?