japan and china, in the future - Page 6




 
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April 15th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
then why is china WTO and one of the 5 countries in the senior UN positions


well, in china, especially eastern china, almost every family is affected by jap agressors, this produced hatred unlike any other seen

his hatred is more than justified, for not admiting history is not a good thing



so many of you argue that china should drop the case... HOW can that happen if japan does not even admit they did it, cmon, their financial minister is having a day dream where the japanese have conquered asia for the good of humanity.

before you think the chinese protests are too rough or that china should jusst forgive, think this:

rock throwing is alot more peaceful than threats to kill all chinese and shooting a chinese bank in OSaka

The country with the highest mortality in history anywhere during world war II, almost everybody is affected by it, brutality is the norm and almost every crime imaginable is done in china

if they wanted to make peace, or progress in the world, they must have a national applogy in whcch a half flag for 8 days( for the 8 years of invasion) , thousands of billions of dollars( perhaps more) of money to be repayed for damages done in the past, for past sufferings in human lives and inferstuture, as well, change their text books

they must admit their wrongdoings or else there is nothing better to say
April 15th, 2005  
loki
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MadeInChina
then why is china WTO and one of the 5 countries in the senior UN positions
Because it is one of the great powers. Like Russia, Britain and so forth. But the US are the "sole remaining superpower" - that's a notion you hear in about every documentary on the US and foreign affairs, so there must be some kind of consesus on this.
April 15th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
exactly, china is a great power, the term superpower is justified for china
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April 15th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
If any Superpower currently exists other than the United States, it would have to be China. (I would not say that they are the USA's equal mind you. Not yet anyways.)
1.) Largest population in the world, so their manpower resources are immense. Their natural resources are also immense.
2.) True, their military is not 100% up to speed with the what other militaries have in terms of technology and equipment. But they are catching up. And they can put numbers into the field that nobody but India can hope to match. This more than makes up for what they may lack.
3.) They are a nuclear power. Not up there with the USA and Russia in numbers, but they still have one helluva a lot of nukes. Currently able to wipe out any one nation on Earth with their stockpile.
4.) They have the second greatest GDP on Earth, second only to the United States. Long long ways behind the USA right now, but they are growing very very fast.

Where they are not a true Superpower is in influence. The USSR and USA competed pretty equally throughout the Cold War for influencing events and nations Worldwide. Because of their many diplomatic blunders in the past, China does not have that level of influence. There is substantial mistrust for the People's Repulbic of China. The PRC has an uphill climb against their reputation and history in this department. They're doing well right now. Time will tell.
April 16th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
well about time too, after 200 years of humulation and teh downfall of the chinese emperorial system, we have suffered so much, lost so much , especially time

in today's world, exonomy is the key point
April 16th, 2005  
Ezechiel
 
Is not a bad thing for China to invade Japan. I do not appose this, becoz it is simple :

1. They r arrogant
2. Revenge
3. Grab their wealth away.

I just don't like them.

Remember, they indirectly made China into a Communist country, destroyed China's golden decade in economic developement in 20's to 30's. Also indirectly causing the Taiwan-China problem.

Remember, Japan never reveive any bad things from China when China were strong.

Admin edit: Carefull with the country bashing! Consider this a warning!
April 16th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezechiel
Is not a bad thing for China to invade Japan. I do not appose this, becoz it is simple :

1. They r arrogant
2. Revenge
3. Grab their wealth away.

I just don't like them.

Remember, they indirectly made China into a Communist country, destroyed China's golden decade in economic developement in 20's to 30's. Also indirectly causing the Taiwan-China problem.

Remember, Japan never reveive any bad things from China when China were strong.
I wish the desire of the Chinese people to punish Japan for its crimes was less automatic. Yes, Japan did some truly terrible things. Nobody is going to say that China has nothing to be angry about. But why preach vengence when it only leads to more terrible things happening.

Japan has gone through an interesting transition since World War II. Their society was completely centered around the warrior and honor and so on. War was an integral part of how they defined themselves as a nation. That was taken from them when their military was disolved after WW2. They have some very strong limitations built into their Constitution that keep them from ever being that sort of conquerer nation for a very long time to come. They learned from their defeat that perhaps the idea of Empire and Conquest were not the best way to make Japan great. Pacivism and the promotion of peace have grown into the Japanese culture and way of life. Japan is more economically powerful now than they ever were, comparitively to the rest of the world, before 1945. They know full well that peace is the best environment to continue this.

China may feel justified in invading Japan to punish them for their past cirmes, but they would not be invading the same Japan that did those things to China. They would be invading a Japan that would never do such things ever again. In short, they would be invading a completely different Japan altogehter. China's wish for revenge is probably taking matters too far and pointing the region toward a dangerous future.

On a side note, Japan does have a very strong defense force. Nothing compared to the PLA is power, but more than enough to turn any type of amphibious or airborne invasion of Japan into a very bloody mess for the invader. Is China willing to lose those soldiers? Is the vengence worth the price?
April 16th, 2005  
Xion
 
What about the Tiananmen Square killings and the massacres in Tibet that the Chinese Government committed and countless other bloody revolts against the government that take place in china?
April 16th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
then ur the arrogant one, these protests are solely the true feelings of the chinese people, not the government, the truth is out there, the japanese have done those babaric crimes in the past, and should be punished severely for it


dont draw the government into this, this has nothing to do with that
April 16th, 2005  
Xion
 
don't blame the japanese ppl then, protest against their government, don't throw bottles, eggs at japanese shops in china and harass them

all the BS that some guy blabbered about the japanese ppl above should be applied to him first

if you blame the jap. government then blame ur government too for committing horrendous crimes in tibet and tiananmen square and god knows how many others