Israeli/Palestinian Ceasefire. What does it really mean? - Page 4




View Poll Results :Okay, so What do you think it all means? How much hope is there?
Accomplishes nothing at all. Nothing changes. 0 0%
Isn't likely to work, but you always hope. 12 66.67%
I have no idea. 4 22.22%
Pretty sure this is the start of peace. 2 11.11%
This is it!! Israel and Palestine will make permanent peace!! No question about it!! 0 0%
Voters: 18. You may not vote on this poll

 
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Boots
 
February 10th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
nope. I was refering to this:

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well, i cant blame palis for their reaction, their land was taken and their nationlity shattered, if i was a pali i would strap an ak on myself anytime
There was no Palestinian state, ever. They did not have a national movement before the Zionist arrived, and the Palestinians always defined their nationality in contrast to Zionisem. The zionists were builders, the Palestinian nationalists were destoryers.

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uhh dude, it takes 2 to create a conflict, both isreal and the palis are attacking each other
Not once in the last 5 years of conflict, did Israel launch an unprovoked attack. All military operations came after unbarable attacks on civilians. But you wouldent understand, because you have never sat in a bus and wondered if it's going to explode, or went on patrol knowing that a terror attack might comke at any minute.
February 11th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
umm. ur last statement basically meant that isralies attacked palis because they attacked isralies

an eye for an eye i guess, trying to revenge each other
February 11th, 2005  
Jim Goose
 
I think the only way Israel can survive as a nation state is if they make a REALLY REALLY big big wall, or maybe a dome, or maybe invest heavily on colonizing mars because I don't think Palestinians or Arabs will ever truely accept Israel.

If Israel wants to do damage control though and hope for any chance of living in peace and not having to worry about asymmetrical warfare, they should retract the occupied settlements, give those settlers a monetary reimbursement, and then build a huge wall according to the UN recognized borders.

The US has armed Israel to the teeth and they have armed themselves, they know they're very vulnerable if the arabs ever really rallied behind the palestinians, but all their heads of state are shit scared because Israels got the nuke and US support.

I think its in the best interests of Israel to retract those settlements and hope that keeps the palistinians happy, that or just destroy all the arabs and Iranians now rather than later.

also the Gaza strip is a bit of a dillema, are those people virtually in a giant ghetto or can they travel to egypt freely?

Oh and you don't need the artificial term "nation state" to justify displacing a group of people, displacement is displacement, nation state or otherwise.
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February 11th, 2005  
rocco
 
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Originally Posted by AA
umm. ur last statement basically meant that isralies attacked palis because they attacked isralies

an eye for an eye i guess, trying to revenge each other
it has nothing to do with an eye for an eye... israel cant just do nuthing like europe and muslims want them to... i dont know how you can sit there and illogically think that israel is overaggresive when it targets known militants after its civilians are bombed?

and again i want to add, and dont take this bad... i see u are in china, dont you remember what china does? you probably dont have a clue about the war china faces in its west, and what its doing to islamic militants there... i assure you china does far worse, and there is no leftist pro palestinian media there to exagerate or reverse information (not that its even needed)

before you say israel is aggressive, atleast compare other countries actions... china--> tienamen sqaure. nuff said.


****** edit, sorry if i sound angry or aggressive... im not, just im frustrated, and i dont have the writing skills to make my message sound better, so forgive if it sounds offensive
February 12th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
lol, before making a statement please read over what uve wrote

the military did not gun students for revenge, it was self-defence when it turned into a riot

the muslims in china are actually well treated, go to beijing and ull see why, we allow them to live in mainland, cities and they have the same rights as any chinese, somehow different in isreal cuz palis are denied entry to parts of isreal and are treated differently

the real probelm with the islamic troubles in china is really based on power hungry, those who are aginist china in china in xinjiang are warlords and just simple terrorists

ride teh plane to china and ask any muslims about their lives there, as any of them if they support anti-chinese laws stated by islamic factions in china

china is made up of 56 different ethenic groups, each with their special territory and land and cultures, han is just one of them

the plus side is that each group actually get along pretty well, with little disputes as we have done thousands of years

isreal and palis are completely different, they did not get along well at all, theyve only met each other 50 years ago
February 12th, 2005  
mrcool011
 
real and palis are completely different, they did not get along well at all, theyve only met each other 50 years ago
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didnt they not get along back in biblical times?
February 13th, 2005  
rocco
 
revenge is the wrong word. if a hamas member bombs israeli citizens, then killing him is not revenge, but stopping him from doing it again. either way, israel is not the agressor. it targets militants only... yes it also hits some innocent civilians, but civilian deaths are certain when terrorists live and fight from urban areas.

israel does not deny palis anything... before the intefata, israel supported palis with jobs... now the wall is up for the sole purpose of defence, and it WORKS!, and if a few terrorist sympathising pali's have to wait in line to save an israeli life, then from israels point of view, its well worth it.

i respect the chinese people, they never fought over stupid things like religeon, they should be commended for that.
February 13th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
The ceasse fire is holding right now, because Israel is restraining itself.
We will see.
February 13th, 2005  
Charge 7
 
 
"i respect the chinese people, they never fought over stupid things like religeon, they should be commended for that."

So all those missionaries killed in the Boxer Rebellion were just knocked off for some other reason?
February 13th, 2005  
SHERMAN
 
 
Actually I think that the Boxers were more on the nationalistic side of the business, not the religious side, but I don't remember too well(been 2 years since I studied that in school). Its off-topic anyways.


Also, it is not so relevant who the aggressor is, but rather, what sacrifice the sides are willing to make to top the violence. Israel has stated before, and will probably go no further than this:

-Independent Palestinian State.
-97%-99% of the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
-A part of eastern Jerusalem will be in Palestinian hands.
-The Palestinians may only have a Self-Defence force, not aggressive capabilities.
-No return of Palestinian refugees from the Arab countrys.


What are the Palestinians willing to sacrifice? I don't know. Until now they have not shown any willingness to let go of any of their demands.