Israel Got Him - Page 5




 
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November 16th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
VDKMS......You state that it was Israel that was the victim when the state was set up in 1947, if so then why were millions of Palestinian disposed and driven from the country. Are you saying it the Christian element that is setting up settlements in Palestinian land and are still driving them out. There are groups of armed Jewish settlers that will go and take a section of Palestinian land by force and if they run into trouble they call upon the Israeli army for protection and the army will sort them out. This happens hundreds of time every year and now they have taken over nearly all the west bank.
November 16th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
Cartman......Didn't Syria fire a few shells into the Golan heights which technically is still Syrian territory which has been anex by Israel
November 16th, 2012  
Cartman
 
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Originally Posted by LeEnfield
VDKMS......You state that it was Israel that was the victim when the state was set up in 1947, if so then why were millions of Palestinian disposed and driven from the country. Are you saying it the Christian element that is setting up settlements in Palestinian land and are still driving them out. There are groups of armed Jewish settlers that will go and take a section of Palestinian land by force and if they run into trouble they call upon the Israeli army for protection and the army will sort them out. This happens hundreds of time every year and now they have taken over nearly all the west bank.
we didnt drive them out, arab leaders called them to leave the land and wait untill they destroy us. but as we all know they didnt succeed, and now they are stuck with millions of refugees who werent even here when it all happened !!
let me explain you something about the golan heights, in the six days war israel advanced further into syria, we conquered the golan heights but only in 1981 (or 83') israel has officialy annexed the golan heights. much like the west bank (who were jordan's territory) israel has succesfully conquered the area and settled there. i see in your description you served in israel.. can you tell me when and why?
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November 16th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cartman
you just shown how stupid and ignorent you are.... why dont you come to israel or gaza and support the palestinians if you love them so much?
Look you cretin,... stop reading into what I say only what you want hear. Please quote one sentence anywhere on this Forum or anywhere else where I said I love, or even like the Palestinians.
I support them as I would have supported the french Maquis against the Nazis. I don't go anywhere near your sh!thole of a country because I can do more good where I am.

I say again: "It is because of idiots like yourself who drag the name of Jewry down to the level of the Nazis that Anti Semitism is on the rise world wide. Again Jews, per se, find themselves distrusted and despised around the world and with good reason".

Now you will have to do without me for a few days as in an hour or two I am going to a family reunion interstate.
November 16th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
I have not served in Israel but I have visited there
November 16th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LeEnfield
VDKMS......You state that it was Israel that was the victim when the state was set up in 1947, if so then why were millions of Palestinian disposed and driven from the country. Are you saying it the Christian element that is setting up settlements in Palestinian land and are still driving them out. There are groups of armed Jewish settlers that will go and take a section of Palestinian land by force and if they run into trouble they call upon the Israeli army for protection and the army will sort them out. This happens hundreds of time every year and now they have taken over nearly all the west bank.
You forget the Oslo accords. It tells who has jurisdiction over what and where. Almost all Palestinians fall under the PA. You are grossly exaggerating about the violence of the settlers. It does happen but many settlers are being attacked by Palestinians too. Did you know that a lot of the "uprooting" of olive trees is done by Palestinians themselves so they get compensated by the Israeli government? Do you know how many europeans are being harrased by fanatic muslims because they won't sell their property in a muslim neighbourhood? See, it is not only in Palestine that radical muslims behave like that, it is all over the world the same f.....g thing. Look at the world of today and have a look at all the violence. Are the Jews violent in the USA, Europe, Asia etc.? No. But there is trouble with fanatical muslims everywhere. Europe, Asia, Africa, you name it. All in the name of Islam. Do not get me wrong, I have nothing against a muslim but I do have a big problem with a muslim who forces his religious lifestyle upon others. Jews do not force their religious lifestyle upon anyone.

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When the first Zionists came to the Ottoman Empire (late 19th century) they went to the province Sandschak Küdüs-i Sherif (approx nowadays Israel, there was no Palestine and most people called themselves Syrians) and their goal was a Jewish homeland ruled by a Jewish majority. They were not violent they just wanted to buy land. They did not force anyone to sell his land and gave good prices for those who did. It was the Arabs who threathend those who wanted to sell their property to the Jews, some got even killed for that (in todays Palestine you still get the death sentence for selling property to a Jew!). Who's the criminal: the one who buys a property or the one who kills the seller?


Zionism in the Ottoman Empire at the End of the 19th century.
November 16th, 2012  
senojekips
 
 
If (and that is a bloody big "if") it is true that Palestinians uproot their own olive groves for "compensation", this is the reason why: It is better perhaps to get some (no doubt unfair) compensation rather than just let them bulldoze their olive groves as would happen anyway.

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The trial of Neta Golan and Shelly Nativ, Israeli citizens and members of the International Solidarity Movement, opened this morning in Hashalom court house in Kfar Saba. The two are accused of blocking IDF bulldozers in the village Dir Istya near Salfit to prevent them from uprooting Palestinian olive trees. Golan and Nativ are charged with interfering with police work, interfering with a public servant’s work (the bulldozer driver) and disobeying a decree of “closed military zone”.
The incident happened near the beginning of the recent Intifada, in April 2001, when IDF forces had begun to uproot the olive groves of Deir Istya. Neta Golan and Shelly Nativ were part of a group of international and Israeli peace activists who traveled to Deir Istya on invitation from the villagers. The activists chained themselves to the trees an hour before the bulldozers arrived to uproot olive trees. The destruction of trees was halted only at the last moment when the blades of the bulldozers were very close to the chained activists bodies.
Another case of Jews who realise the truth of the matter and are willing to make a sacrifice to help see justice is done. One can only imagine what the outcome would have been had these two activists been Palestinians, they would have suffered the same fate as Rachel Corrie.

I Googled "Palestinians sell olive groves" and never found a mention, however I Googled "Bulldoze Olive groves" and found plenty, all relating to Israeli theft of Palestinian farmer's land.
November 16th, 2012  
LeEnfield
 
 
VDKMS......You state that the Jewish settlers were not violent, if this is fact then why did they attack the British troops there during WW2 while trying to force Britain into giving them self rule then rather than after war. Extra troops had to be sent there to keep the peace rather than fighting the Germans
November 16th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
I say again: "It is because of idiots like yourself who drag the name of Jewry down to the level of the Nazis that Anti Semitism is on the rise world wide. Again Jews, per se, find themselves distrusted and despised around the world and with good reason".
I am not sure this the entirely true, I think what you are seeing is not anti-Semitism on the rise but rather anti-Israeli feeling and I do think people are beginning to see the difference between the two.
I know that in New Zealand most of the anti-Israeli feeling comes from the fact that we keep catching them stealing passports etc. but that tends to manifest itself in attacks on Jewish cemeteries etc. which I think is misconstrued as anti-Jewish.

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Originally Posted by Cartman
you just shown how stupid and ignorent you are.... why dont you come to israel or gaza and support the palestinians if you love them so much? have you been here before?
The wife spent a year in Israel and hated every minute of it, I really cant tell you what she thought of the people she worked with especially the males as that would lead to a banning but interestingly enough when she returned she decided she was more Catholic than Jewish.

As for a visit to Gaza well not sure that is on the cards but with luck we will be going to Egypt and Jordan in the next couple of years and if I could get in and have a look I would happily do so then I could post the pictures of your handy work here first hand.
November 17th, 2012  
r.fox
 
 
well this thread lasted for ages before it got turned into "why do people hate Israel"
 


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