Iranian forces crossed Iraqi border - Page 3




 
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June 27th, 2007  
Infern0
 
phoenix, you not going back far enough, as i said earlier to the root causes.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian...litical_forces
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Policies of the American government, which helped create an image of the Shah as American "puppet" with their high profile and the 1953 subversion of the government on his behalf, but helped trigger the revolution by pressuring the Shah to liberalize, and then finally may have heightened the radicalism of the revolution by failing to read its nature accurately (particularly the goals of Khomeini), or to clearly respond to it.


a lot of the issues we are facing today are a direct result of the fight against international communism during the cold war.

Al Quida/ bin ladan
Talaban
the shah/Iranian revolution
iraq/saddam hussian

and i think this is due the the western world not looking far enough ahead. quite happy to using various nasty types to beat up on the USSR (just as the USSR did as well), but without considering what would happen once the fight was over and the funding....and leashes...came off


hell, maybe patton was right
June 27th, 2007  
rock45
 

Topic: Bad news


Hi MontyB
I agree with you I don't think this is a good news article. It's not showing up in other places I find my military news in.
June 27th, 2007  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by rock45
Hi MontyB
I agree with you I don't think this is a good news article. It's not showing up in other places I find my military news in.
Yeah I tend to disregard news that uses tabloids as its source especially when no other news outlet independently corroborates it and there are no other reliable sources quoted in the article itself such as the MoD, lets face it " An unidentified intelligence source" could be anyone from Tony Blair to his grandmother.
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June 30th, 2007  
Infern0
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by bulldogg
I understand what you are saying but might you see how your first off the cuff remark is quite different than this one here? Further defining what you think to be "pointless" would eliminate any angst and although we might disagree on the merits of TWAT and Iraq in particular, there will be less heat in the discussion if more definition is provided in the commentary so as not to be construed.

sorry it's taken me ages to get back to this, actually forgot which conversation it was in lol


i would define the current iraq conflict as "pointless" because;

the initial reasons for invasion were either false, or insufficiently thought through (WMD's, connections to al Queida/9/11)

there was, and certainly is not now, any clear goal to be achieved


so now you're left with a situation where soldiers are being killed in an attempt to stabilise a country that would've been better left alone, that have no clear exit strategy, and you have given hostile forces a battle zone to engage US forces easily.

now, in saying the above, dont construe this as support for saddam, but IMO there would've been better ways to sort that little bastard.

think of all the forces in Iraq that would be better served eliminating the Taliban in Afghanistan and putting that country back on it's feet. finish one job before you start another!


hopefully that puts my POV forward a bit better, and please accept my assurances that this is directed more at the bush administration than at the troops on the ground.

it's always the boots on the ground, and the local civvies that get shafted by the mistakes that the leaders make
June 30th, 2007  
senojekips
 
 
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IMO there would've been better ways to sort that little bastard.
A Hellfire enema perhaps?
June 30th, 2007  
Gator
 
 
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Originally Posted by senojekips
A Hellfire enema perhaps?
Where would the Profit for US Civilian Contractors be in such an action?

The only way to get many, many, many newly printed Billions out of the US Treasury and into the pipeline for Civilian Contractors is to have a War..... the Cold War died sometime ago, so, Civilian Contractors needed a new Enemy, a long lasting Enemy, an Enemy who is very expensive to Fight.


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Originally Posted by MontyB
As many have discovered its far easier to simply let these posts scroll off the board than it is to argue with people who aren't listening and given time you will figure out which of the boards members are worth responding to and which aren't.
True that.
June 30th, 2007  
Infern0
 
call the contractors what they are....mercenaries
June 30th, 2007  
Englander2
 
I cannot agree with Del Boy here, but that is probably because he belongs to another generation, which did not experience WW2. Long before the Iraq war, I remember a British police woman being shot by an Iranian diplomat. We let him go! One has to stop wars before they have the chance to start, but here England has always been half asleep.
June 30th, 2007  
Del Boy
 

Englander 2 - sorry, do not understand where you are coming from. what do you disagree with. I experienced WW11 very closely, as it happens, I was bombed out twice in the first year, by the jolly old Lutwaffe, andwas seperated from my parents and family at 4 years by the war.

The murderer in question had diplomatic immunity, that's why we couldn't touch him. International law you know.
June 30th, 2007  
Yossarian
 
 
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Originally Posted by phoenix80
Iranian regime is doing what the Soviets did back in 1960s to 1980s

Funding terrorists, re-arming insurgents, hurting the US interests and entering a useless mini arms race with its neighbors.

We all know the outcome!
Like we did in Afghanistan, look at that outcome.
 


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