Iran in Mexico and the Caribbean: Building a Strategic Trampoline towards the US - Page 2




 
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Boots
 
November 9th, 2011  
Zultra
 
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Originally Posted by 03USMC
LOL!!!! Russia Today and Cynthia McKinney.
RT picks up a lot of what the Western stations miss/'forget'.

Of course the US are really innocent angels they are indeed not the biggest Terrorist state in the world.
November 9th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by Zultra
I am not denying what the GI joe does, but the Brass are different, nor am I denying the Taliban are brutal.

Similar story in Iraq.
Allthough you are British ,I have the impression that you do not serve in NATO, because otherwise you wouldn't believe those stories. There's a difference between making a mistake and deliberately targeting civilians. I have served 30 years in Nato and I can asure you that targeting civilians is not NATO policy. And believe me, the brass is even more concernd about civilian casualties than GI joe.

A few days ago an American General lost his job because he critisized the Afghan government. If he would have bombed a civilian town he would be court martialed and severely punished.
November 9th, 2011  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by Zultra
RT picks up a lot of what the Western stations miss/'forget'.

Of course the US are really innocent angels they are indeed not the biggest Terrorist state in the world.
It is not because you say so that the same is true.
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November 9th, 2011  
Zultra
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS
It is not because you say so that the same is true.
No, for example about Man made Climate change, please explain why in RT they show two sides of the story while in the Western Media's it's one side only.
November 9th, 2011  
Zultra
 
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Originally Posted by VDKMS

A few days ago an American General lost his job because he critisized the Afghan government.
Proves my point exactly, the Afghan governement has been blamed for many civilian deaths, the whole of NATO, UN, EU etc.. should just be scrapped, Armed Neutrality is the natural course of affairs.

Remember the US Army are not the good guys, invasion of soverign states without valid cause (Iraq for example), or for Dubious reasons (poppy fields in Afghanistan), Nor are pretty much all Western Militaries (Excluding Switzerland).

The average soldier is nothing more then a hired gun for the Elites, but I guess brainwashing has had a big effect in these forums.
November 9th, 2011  
Yossarian
 
 
That's it, this tree massacre has got to be put to an end, I am going to gather all the clueless college students I know, and we are all going to a nearby city and break into shops and steal tvs and flip over cars in protest!

Exactly how our forfathers intended!
November 9th, 2011  
brinktk
 
 
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Originally Posted by Zultra
Proves my point exactly, the Afghan governement has been blamed for many civilian deaths, the whole of NATO, UN, EU etc.. should just be scrapped, Armed Neutrality is the natural course of affairs.

Remember the US Army are not the good guys, invasion of soverign states without valid cause (Iraq for example), or for Dubious reasons (poppy fields in Afghanistan), Nor are pretty much all Western Militaries (Excluding Switzerland).

The average soldier is nothing more then a hired gun for the Elites, but I guess brainwashing has had a big effect in these forums.
Regardless of what you think, the terrorists would gladly kidnap you, torture you, then cut your head off simply because you are an "infidel". They don't care about your character, they don't care about what you believe, they don't care about your sympathies for them...they will kill you just the same as they would me. If we are such bad boogeymen then why is it that EVERY single Iraqi policeman and Iraqi Army soldier that I have talked to in this deployment has insisted that we stay? They are afraid, they know they that sectarian violence will rise again and the country will likely plunge into a civil war. These are not proxies of the government, they are not paying me lip service. These are soldiers and police that I have made real friendships with over the course of the deployment. We have had many very long and intimate conversations in addition to serving alongside one another to fight these extremists from inflicting the senseless casualties on the people they seem to be so hell bent on annihilating. The media neglects a lot of the things we do because they simply are not news worthy...Giving out soccer balls to kids and providing medical treatment to local civilians isn't exciting enough for the Western or Eastern news outlets to report on. Or the fact that if we damage any Iraqi's property in the course of our patrol or operation we have them fill out a claims card and they are reimbursed for the damages. These are things I'm SURE you knew about. The fact is that you have no idea what is going on where the boots meet the pavement. You have no idea what's happening on the ground, you draw your information from obviously either biased or downright deceitful reports. I'm not saying the US's hands are clean in the matter, but, ask any average Iraqi and they will tell you they are glad that Saddam is out of power. Go to Halabja, Kirkuk, or Erbil and tell a Kurd that the Americans are bad...you likely will walk away with a good whooping. You are marginalizing the experiences and trepidations that many on this forum have endured because you think you know what is going on...you don't, and only a fool would pretend that they do.
November 9th, 2011  
Zultra
 
I know whats going on, Iraq and Afghanistan are now mere US puppets, I Spoke to Iraqis and they actually prefered Saddam to what they have now, Speak to any Serb about the US and you will get a black eye.

You lot will do the same here when the time comes, Destroying our infrastructure, Civic services and a long occupation, you won't be showing that 'Kindness' (Brainwashing) here.
November 9th, 2011  
03USMC
 
 
Really? You're using Baathist's and Serbs as a baseline? LOL. Yeah certain groups take a dim view of their homicidal and genocidal parties being crashed, by international coalitions, sucks to be them. Keep talking I need a good chuckle.
November 9th, 2011  
brinktk
 
 
Where did the Iraqi's miraculously materialize from? Sunni Arab no doubt...Let me ask you something, if you're so informed...do you know the differences between the different ethnic groups in Iraq and also the differences between the two forms of Islam there? Do you know the ethnic breakdown of each population within the country? If you hear that a guy is from the al Obeidi tribe around Hawijah are you going to understand what that means? Or the al Jubari tribe in Taza? Or the Dulaim tribe in Ramadi? These are all extremely important things to know when asking about anything regarding this country. The fact is that you are not nearly as well informed as you think you are.

Also, if Iraq was such a puppet then why are we pulling out knowing that it's going to fall apart when we leave? The Iraqi government has made the decision for us to leave, and we are complying. Why on Earth would we do that if we want to control their every move?

But, perhaps we should just save ourselves a lot of breath (or finger cramps for that matter) and agree to disagree. It's obvious you believe me to be a brainwashed thug hellbent on mass killings of innocents. I think you're a deranged whacko that is largely detached from reality and has an antagonistic attitude towards anything that has to do with any type of establishment...You're not going to change my mind, nothing you say is going to change what I've figured out through hard earned experience...live, in person, where it happens...not sitting in a chair watching the latest and greatest news that validates my preconceived notions of what I want to believe.