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December 7th, 2012  
hamidreza
 
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Originally Posted by Yossarian
I am speaking of justification to be sold to our public.

There may be nothing just , or logical about it, as long as it in some way buys out national opinion for going to war.

Like chemical and biological weapons was for Iraq, a catalyst for an excuse to use military force.

That is what I mean.
So you mean the US people are naive and honest that the US government( or better to say the world Zionist and capitalism) sometime cheat them by their propaganda system to reach to their illegal and illegitimate interests?

I don't know, maybe it is true but we don't plan our life based on what the US people think is good or bad.
December 7th, 2012  
Eden
 
 
Weird color indeed..
December 7th, 2012  
Cartman
 
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Originally Posted by hamidreza
So you mean the US people are naive and honest people that the US government( or better to say the world Zionist and capitalism) sometime cheat them by their propaganda system to reach to their illegal and illegitimate interests?

I don't know, maybe it is true but we don't plan our life based on what the US people think is good or bad.
please, you can stop trying to sell your bullsh!it... not everything against muslims is "zionist propoganda" and saying that the US government is related in any sort to zionists is idiotic... you believe everything your government is telling you, and that shows alot. if you didnt catch the latest news, the american president name is Barak Hussein Obama...
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December 7th, 2012  
VDKMS
 
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Originally Posted by Yossarian
The F 15 has never really gone against a modern air force in context of equippment and training so it's hard to say. Also 200 F 22's that are in service already show strain on USAF allocation of resources. Each in itself is a total technological marvel, however like lesser fighters in service already all 200 won't be operation all at the same time. Also the assembley components were destroyed and production halted by order of Congress.
True, but it is combat proven, the new enemy models are not.
May I remind you that Lockheed kept everything so it can restart F-22 production.

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I would expect the West to be tracking them, Iran has made many bold claims yes. But look at it's actions, only region movements and regional excersises as for now indicate a defensive mindset. If Iran was smart, as now they would not give the U.S. any justification to pacify the public into starting the war our policy makers so badly desire. If anything they would garner allot of world support if the U.S. was caught in the act of shooting first.

Iran isn't looking to win toe for toe, but make the conflict so costly that Americans at home seriously reconsider our government's actions. Also they are in the process of setting up international safeguards by strenghtening economic bonds with other world powers. Maybe this is in hopes of undermining our ecnomony as well as creating a very costly military conlfict to slow the American invasion of their country at that point.

What country would not do everything in it's power to defend itself? Also yes , the U.S. would be highly effective militaryly, no doubt, but if a serious national emergancy is created at home by public distaste and economic meltdown those troops may very well have to be pulled back to quell the rioting back home. Also I don't know how modern Americans would reacte to a Vietnam scale war in terms of casualties in such a case.

Much of the bold statements of Iran are indeed false, but also much of the tension with the west is Artificially created and is searching for a spark any day now. Just how 9/11 in many respects was the catalyste to the gray state that is growing in the U.S., and runaway policy in the Middle East.

Iran is on center stage in social trends of American society whether they like it or not. It's more than just about calling them bad guys and labeling all these synonyms of evil. It's about dsyfunction here at home as well.
In a Iran/US conflict there will be few US boots (special forces) on Iranian ground. The Iranian forces will be destroyed from the air and see. No need to occupy Iran.

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My friend I need you, I need your stance just like you need mine. Because we lack a lot of counter balance on so many things anymore. With the loss of the USSR in the last century our world's only super power no longer has to worry over upsetting any adversary. And in the very word's of so many oligarches in corporate America today " Competition can be a good thing".

And just like you my good sir, the world needs people like you, and me and this dialouge we share which hopfully can in some small way lead to a healthy approach to world issues.

The only hard part is dealing with human nature and our desire to have it all.
China is coming up.

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Originally Posted by hamidreza
Iran is giving the US justification? Please explain me more about the mean of "justification". Not based on Zionist propaganda crop but based on
the nations rights and freedom . Although we are living in modern age, forest rules are still governing on the world, worse than before.
Proof by the IAEA about a nuclear military capability.
December 7th, 2012  
MontyB
 
 
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Originally Posted by Eden
Weird color indeed..
Does it matter what colour it is, for all intents and purposes it could be fluorescent pink and lime green as no one since WW2 is tracking submarines visually anymore.

I am more intrigued by its size than its colour.
December 8th, 2012  
Yossarian
 
 
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Originally Posted by hamidreza
I don't know, maybe it is true but we don't plan our life based on what the US people think is good or bad.
Nor should you, I think in the long run that would lead to our country being more responsible and help pave the way to economic co operation with our world trade partners. Not domination, which as a policy in itself has a much shorter life span.

One of the problem with the U.S. / Iran tension, is the U.S. is very heavily armed, armed groups when things tend not to go their way , such as your country's economic soveriegnity that plagues American interests in the region makes using force a pretty attractive option. We have done this before.

In some regards the U.S. may start poking it's nose out a little further to get Iran to give us one good uppercut to justify serious military action. Our government pretty much has that act down pat at this point in history. We have been rehersing for over 150 years at it.
December 8th, 2012  
Eden
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hamidreza
So you mean the US people are naive and honest that the US government( or better to say the world Zionist and capitalism) sometime cheat them by their propaganda system to reach to their illegal and illegitimate interests?

I don't know, maybe it is true but we don't plan our life based on what the US people think is good or bad.
I actually feel sorry for you,your country made you a paranoid.
Zionist world..ha.
 


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