Iran buys 250 fighters, 20 fuel tankers from Russia

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Iran buys 250 long-distance fighter-bombers, 20 fuel tankers, from Russia

Tehran and the Russian Rosoboronexport arms group are about to sign a mammoth arms deal running into tens of billions of dollars for the sale to Tehran of 250 Su-30MKM warplanes and 20 IL-78 MKI fuel tankers. DEBKAfile’s military sources report Iran has stipulated delivery of the first aircraft before the end of 2007.

The transaction, Russia’s largest arms deal in 30 years, will endow Iran with a long-range aerial assault capability. The Sukhoi can sustain a four-and-a-half hour raid at its maximum range of 3,000 km against long-distance, marine and low-lying ground targets across the Persian Gulf and Middle East, including Israel and Lebanon.

The fuel tankers extends the Su-30MKM’s assault sustainability to 10 hours and its range to 8,000 km at altitudes of 11-13 km. The closest comparable plane in the West is the American F-15E fighter bomber. Iran’s acquisition of an exceptionally large fleet of the Russian fighter-bomber will elevate its air force to one of the two largest and most advanced in the region, alongside the Israeli Air Force.

Iranian air crews are already training on the new Sukhoi aircraft, ready to start flying them early next year with only a short delay after delivery. DEBKAfile’s sources report that Moscow is selling Tehran the same Sukhoi model as India received earlier this year. The Iranians leaned hard on New Delhi to let them have the Israeli avionics and electronics the Indian Air Force had installed in the Russian craft.

India refused.

Russia began delivering the same craft in June to Malaysia, which also sought Israeli avionics without success. The Su-20MKM has won the nickname of “Islamic Version of Sukhoi.”

Its two-member crew shares the workload. The first pilot flies the aircraft, controls weapons and maneuvers the plane in a dogfight. The co-pilot employs BVR air-to-air and air-to-ground guided weapons in long-range engagements, sweeps the arena for enemy craft or missiles and performs as command-and-control in group missions.

Some of the plane’s systems are products of the French Thales Airborne Systems company. Moscow’s contract with Tehran for the sale of the Su-30MKM must therefore be cleared with Paris.

There is no decision in Jerusalem about asking Paris to withhold its consent to a deal which would substantially upgrade the long-range air assault capabilities of the Islamic Republic whose leaders want to wipe Israel off the map.

However, President Nicolas Sarkozy is in mid-momentum of a diplomatic drive in the Arab and Muslim world and unlikely to be receptive to an Israeli approach. The only chance of aborting the Russian sale would be to route the approach through Washington.

From DEBKAfile

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d99_1185568788
 
Why not the Su-35

Hi phoenix80
It would takes years to produce this many aircraft and think of the maintenance needs to support this high number. You know phoenix80 I thought you posted something on this before I must be losing my mind but didn't you post this link http://www.nxtbook.com/nxtbooks/mh/paris062107/index.php?startpage=10

On this link it doesn't mention the tankers but I thought it was you who point me to this in the first place. Too many forums I guess.

I would think France would have to give it's approval first and I don't this they deal must with Iran. Russia's not yet produced Su-35 is suppose to be pure Russian equipment I think maybe Iran money with help fund the newer Flanker program. I'll post a few links to Su-35s
http://www.knaapo.ru/eng/products/military/SU-35.wbp
http://www.aviapedia.com/category/fighters/su-35/

The second link is very good I go there for Russian info all there time. If you dig down deep in the web site tons of pictures. On the right hand side click on the many links and it goes even deeper. I found pictures and info on Mig-35 Fulcrums and pictures of their new ASEA radar. The forum has I think a Russian pilot answering questions I'm not part of the forum but I sometimes read the post and threads. Let me know what you think.
 
I agree. Ruskies are not going to do this. Moreover Iran doesnt have money to buy these many fighters at once.
 
What's up with these Sukhoi jets and their high design numbers? Su-35 is practically an upgraded Su-27. Dear Russians, this is why the system of adding "A" "B" "C" etc. to the end of your aircraft names was invented.
For example, you could have easily have called your Su-35, the Su-27P or something.
Probably a marketing ploy.
 
What's up with these Sukhoi jets and their high design numbers? Su-35 is practically an upgraded Su-27. Dear Russians, this is why the system of adding "A" "B" "C" etc. to the end of your aircraft names was invented.
For example, you could have easily have called your Su-35, the Su-27P or something.
Probably a marketing ploy.

:bravo:

Su-35 has lots of french avionics too
 
One more story

This is turning into a press info war nothing more. If this were true a lot more would be coming out of Russia then these little bits. The latest story I'll post it includes an order for 20 IL-78 MKI fuel tankers. Russia already late and will end up losing money on the large tanker and transport order to China their largest paying customer. This story claims pilots have been trained but give no details on how many and when you know the important stuff.

http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=4449
 
Iran to Buy Jets from Russia

July 30, 2007
The Jerusalem Post
Yaakov Katz and herb Keinon


Israel is looking into reports that Russia plans to sell 250 advanced long-range Sukhoi-30 fighter jets to Iran in an unprecedented billion-dollar deal.

According to reports, in addition to the fighter jets, Teheran also plans to purchase a number of aerial fuel tankers that are compatible with the Sukhoi and capable of extending its range by thousands of kilometers. Defense officials said the Sukhoi sale would grant Iran long-range offensive capabilities.

Government officials voiced concern over the reports. They said Russia could be trying to compete with the United States, which announced over the weekend a billion-dollar arms sale to Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states.

Despite Israeli and US opposition, Russia recently supplied Iran with advanced antiaircraft systems used to protect Teheran's nuclear installations. At the time, Moscow said it reserved the right to sell Iran weapons, such as the antiaircraft system, that were of a defensive nature.

The Sukhoi-30 is a two-seat multi-role fighter jet and bomber capable of operating at significant distances from home base and in poor weather conditions. The aircraft enjoys a wide range of combat capabilities and is used for air patrol, air defense, ground attacks, enemy air defense suppression and air-to-air combat.

After years of negotiations, the Indian Air Force in 1996 purchased 40 Sukhoi-30s and in 2000 acquired the license from the company to manufacture an additional 140 aircraft.
link to original article
 
Crap, Sukhoi is getting rich off of this. All the contracts so fast, this could make for some interesting new programs. Maybe the Su 47 isn't going to die after all?

But, Iran? Not trying to sound stereotypical, but, with the border crossing incidents and stuff, giving them long range fighters? That could possibly carry tactical nuclear weapons? Huhh,...

I know it takes great skill delivering a tactical nuclear munition via fighter aircraft. But, isn't not eliminated as an option. Even if Iran doesn't have a long range ICBM program, for the most part a large portion of the middle east is in range of this aircraft, if they are launched from bases near the border.


Longer range air strikes are now a option for the Iranian military.
 
rumors

By now this was half true wouldn't more be coming out of Russia on this block buster arms deal? I sometimes look at this site (below) for Russia aircraft news which isn't always correct sometimes you get a song and dance here as well. It's a little unusual for this site not to have any info on such a deal.

http://www.royfc.com/cgi-bin/today/acft_news.cgi
 
The whole Iranian defense budget is around 8-9 Bln dollars and this deal tops their budget by at least 15 times.

Like I said, they don't have money to buy these many. 25 or even 40 would be more plausible
 
May lead to a trouble with the Coalition Air dominance over Iraq and Afghanistan. It would leave allot of people their bitting finger nails.
 
Coalition Air dominance

Coalition Air dominance wouldn't change as much as one may think the US does very well in large scale air war setups like this. They train for this and nobody does it better or has the capabilities to pull it off. I'm talking air war here not ground war, ground war would be much more difficult. Even if they had 100 Flankers right now their just more targets if things went bad. They would only be effective in a complete package AWACS, training, leadership, etc. I think fighters pilots would be tripping over themselves to get chances at low stick time Iranian Flanker pilots. :2guns:
 
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