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December 27th, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
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Originally Posted by Chief Bones
(APOLOGIES TO THE MODS)

Marwan you are "either" an idiot or an Iranian operative based on ALL of your posts that I have read..

As soon as I have posted this response I will ensure that I don't have to read anymore of your Iranian tripe. I am placing you on my ignore list.

In case your English isn't good enough, TRIPE means (in your case) information not supported by facts, used simply to camoflage or obscure the truth. ie: Mostly a pack of lies or disinformation.

Your bio says that you are 19 and a civilian -BS- 19 (maybe), civilian - (I doubt it).

For your absolute negatism my final present is a negative to your "reputation".

Goodbye with no wish of good luck.
exactly my thoughts
December 27th, 2005  
jackehammond
 
Dear Members,

I can not figure out why the Iranians would want to acquire what is basically an updated SA-3???? The SA-3 has never performed well in combat in the past. The Russians now have far superior SAMs than the SA-3 type. Makes no sense.

Also, the Iraqis had more than just the SA-2 when the Iraqi nuclear reactor was hit. For one they had the French Roland which is an extremely deadly low level system which the US air forces had an extremely healthy respect for during the Gulf War 1991.

Finally, as to Israel striking the Iranian nuclear facilities. It is not a question of the Iranian air defense systems. It is a matter of logistics. Yes the Israelis pulled off that one strike in the 1980s. But at that time the Saudis were not up and running on their AWACs and they could use Saudi Arabia as an air corridor. And the ranges were far less than those against today's Iranian targets from Israel. But what air route would they use? Forget about flying over Iraq even. They have to pass some how over either Jordan, Saudi Arabia or Turkey (ie I can't see them flying all the way down the Red Sea and then loop back up the Persian Gulf as the ranges would be unbelievable). Flying over either nation would result in a state of quasi-war with Israel to avoid a full scale war with Iran. The most likely route (which I doubt) would be in a deal with Kenya (ie the Black nonMuslim Africans have an intense dislike for the Arab/Persian/Pakistan Moslem world) as with the Enteebee raid. But I have no doubt that Iran has made it clear to any nation thinking about helping Israel that while Israel, Kuwait and US forces have a good ABM system (ie the Arrow and PAC III) they don't.

Jack E. Hammond
December 27th, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
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(ie I can't see them flying all the way down the Red Sea and then loop back up the Persian Gulf as the ranges would be unbelievable).
thats my plan!
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December 27th, 2005  
Chief Bones
 
 
I'd go to the moon first and then drop a large rock on their heads. Probably cheaper that trying to find an open corridor for the attack.
December 27th, 2005  
jackehammond
 
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Originally Posted by Marwan
your not even iranian and cant even speak farsi so i already know what you really are....
Dear Member,

In debates on the good military forums (ie of which this is one of them) the number one rule is this: Attack the message all you want, but do not attack the messenger. Their can be no rational debate, discussion, exchange of information, etc. if this rule is ignored.

Also, every member has the right to politely disagree. Would you not agree? Or is your version of freedom of the press and freedom of speech only for those facts and opinions you agree with. Even the Prophet of Islam disagrees if you believe that?

Jack E. Hammond
December 27th, 2005  
bulldogg
 
 
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As for the F-14s, only a small number were ever airworthy at any given time (generally 10 to 20) and these were typically kept out of combat. They were most often used as airborne early warning platforms owing to the design's powerful radar, and were therefore deemed too valuable to risk in air-to-air combat. In this role, the planes were sometimes defended by F-4E and F-5E fighters. At least some F-14s were lost in action, but the claims of the two sides are in poor agreement, as is always the case in warfare. Iraq claims some 11 kills:

1. 21 November 1982: F-14 shot down by a Mirage F1EQ
2. March 1983: F-14 shot down by a MiG-21
3. 11 September 1983: 2 F-14s shot down while attempting to intercept Iraqi aircraft
4. 4 October 1983: F-14 shot down in a dogfight
5. 21 November 1983: F-14 lost during air battle over Bahragan
6. 24 February 1984: F-14 lost
7. 1 July 1984: F-14 lost
8. 11 August 1984: 3 F-14s shot down

Meanwhile, Iran claims that the F-14 accounted for 35 to 45 kills against the Iraqi Air Force for only one shot down. Iran has admitted to up to 12 further losses, but claims they all resulted from engine stall during dogfights rather than enemy fire. Though the claims of neither side have been verified, F-14s are known to have accounted for 3 air-to-air kills against Iraqi aircraft, including two Mirage F1s and a MiG-21. Western estimates for the true kill-loss ratio attained by the F-14 during the conflict credit 4 kills against 4 or 5 losses.
http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/planes/q0077.shtml

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Persian Gulf 1988-1989

There were some Sidewinders fired between US navy Tomcats and Iranian F-4 Phantoms during the oil tanker escort operations in the Persian Gulf, these launches were all well out of parameters, and scored no kills.
http://www.zap16.com/mil%20fact/f-14.htm

Navy Missile Downs Iranian Jetliner
By George C. Wilson
Washington Post Staff Writer
Monday, July 4, 1988; Page A01

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A U.S. warship fighting gunboats in the Persian Gulf yesterday mistook an Iranian civilian jetliner for an attacking Iranian F14 fighter plane and blew it out of the hazy sky with a heat-seeking missile, the Pentagon announced. Iran said 290 persons were aboard the European-made A300 Airbus and that all had perished.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...uly88crash.htm

Absolutely ZERO, ZILCH, NADA anywhere about any Iranian F14 being shot down by anything other than Iraqi missiles and an Iraqi MIG during their dirty little war. Only an F4. The only reported F14 shoot-down was this faux pas when the Airbus got shot down by the Vincennes by accident.

Marwan might be lacking in tact but he's got his facts straight.
December 27th, 2005  
Morten
 
 
seems like Iran is preparing to get "wiped of the map" themselves(sp?)...
December 27th, 2005  
phoenix80
 
 
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1. 21 November 1982: F-14 shot down by a Mirage F1EQ
2. March 1983: F-14 shot down by a MiG-21
3. 11 September 1983: 2 F-14s shot down while attempting to intercept Iraqi aircraft
4. 4 October 1983: F-14 shot down in a dogfight
5. 21 November 1983: F-14 lost during air battle over Bahragan
6. 24 February 1984: F-14 lost
7. 1 July 1984: F-14 lost
8. 11 August 1984: 3 F-14s shot down
these scores are just useless propaganda from the baathist iraqis

at least 3-4 IRIAF F-14As were downed by friendly fire or mechanical failure

http://www.irandefence.net/archive/index.php/t-106.html

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_452.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_212.shtml

Within the first six months of the war Iranian F-14s scored over 50 air-to-air victories, mainly against Iraqi MiG-21s and MiG-23s, but some also against Su-20/22s. In exchange, only a single F-14A was damaged - by debris from a MiG-21 that exploded in front of it.

The war between Iraq and Iran subsequently turned into a war of attrition, with lengthy breaks - used by both sides for reorganization and resupply of their military power - between short periods of extremely bitter and bloody fighting. Eventually, by the spring of 1982 the Iranians managed to throw Iraqi troops back to the international border, and from that time on Iran was in strategic offensive, which was eventually to last until the early 1988.

These 2 chart says it better

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_210.shtml

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_211.shtml

well, regarding the F-14 shot down by the Americans, I know the guy in person (his father was killed) and we are close friends!

I have his picture if you want to see

I know an Iranian F-14A ace who had 7 confirmed 2 probable kills under his belt. he died 3 years ago in a road accident though (his name was General Zandi)

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=Jalal+zandi&meta=

Major Jalal Zandi , an F-14 pilot, shot down 9 Iraqi fighters throughout the war, making him the most accomplished F-14 pilot in the world, and one of the greatest jet fighter aces in history. He died of a heart attack in 2001 (road accident). Normally, a pilot is not put into combat for more than 6 months to 1 year (the longest tours were in Vietnam and Korea). Pilots like Major Zandi fought for eight years, against an enemy over 6 times their size!

Major Yadollah Javadpour is one of the most accomplished F-5 pilots in the world, and flew in the Acrojet team founded by General Jahanbani. The F-5 is a light, low cost fighter, and Major Javadpour shot down 5 Iraqi fighters, making him one of the prominent jet fighter aces in history. One of his victims was the Mig-25, the world’s fastest fighter, and at the time the Russians’ most advanced fighter, flown by Colonel Rayyan, Iraq’s top fighter pilot. The downing of a fighter like the Mig-25 by an F-5 is unprecedented in the history of air combat, and Major Javadpour has become a legend in the worldwide F-5 pilot community.

http://www.iiaf.net/iiafmisc/announc...uncements.html
December 28th, 2005  
Mohmar Deathstrike
 
 
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Originally Posted by Rabs
You have one of the highest oil reserves in the world, do you really need nuclear power and if so why not get the fuel from elsewere. Instead of insiting on produceing your own which can be used for nuclear weapons.
Oil can also be used to make plastic of fuel cars. That's why it's better to rely on nuclear power for generating electrticity, because uranium doesn't have many more uses than that.
December 28th, 2005  
Rabs
 
 
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because uranium doesn't have many more uses than that.
Except for building nuclear weapons?