Iran, The Axis of Evil
Kesse81
Banned
Through terrorist proxy, your government is eagerly sponsoring the killing of innocents around the World.
http://www.clarionproject.org/sites/default/files/Iranian-Support-For-Terrorism.pdf
moxen
Active member
9/11 the false flag, see documetaries, that was by CiA not a few stupid arabs
And khobar some reports are indicating the mossad role, but I can accept that my Country killed its enemies in a stupid arabs land.
And the leboman , the start of hizballah was by killing marines and 6 cia agents, there were a war , you cant hide sabra and shatilla , children and women murdered and raped by your friends in Israel.
crazytanker
Active member
Do you realize how much straight up BULL SHIT that comes out of your mouth? Take it else where. Considering you'd be incredibly upset if we talked about your country in such a way. Or maybe shed some light.
brinktk
Active member
It doesn't matter what we say or do, in his mind, we all deserve death regardless of character or culpability.
Also note that he is a self professed agent of Iran....a fanatic. Nothing anyones says will matter, objectivity isn't part of the training regime...
crazytanker
Active member
Oh, I know. It's quite the opposite, as I recall.
Kesse81
Banned
You got that right, did you see his WW2 related statement? He's out there.
moxen
Active member
A plan like 9/11 was designed by cia against fidel in cuba and your pres. Cancelled it; more about it is accessable.
just, as a military man e3sign a plan to do something like 9/11
Can you realy do it without helps from inside.
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just, as a military man e3sign a plan to do something like 9/11
Can you realy do it without helps from inside.
And ... because of your attention a free gift:
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MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Hang on second lets not jump the gun here if you guys are going to accuse Iran of supporting "undesirable" groups the world over (and I am not saying they don't do it) then you open yourselves up to scrutiny and when you do you will find a lot of skeletons in your closet as the CIA in particular has been responsible for over throwing numerous democratically elected governments and replacing them with pro-US governments that have slaughtered their own civilians without blinking an eye.
Just two easy ones off the top of my head would be Chile and Guatemala and I am pretty sure the health and well being of either the Chilean nor Guatemalan people at the top of the CIA's reasons for arming nor supporting the regimes that ran these countries.
Now I will not say that the Iranians are squeaky clean and heading for sainthood but I will say that there is something in the old saying that those in glass houses should refrain from throwing stones.
The CIA had it misdemeanors during the cold war as you point out and you could add the Indochina conflict to the list. However the atrocities committed by the Communist: the former USSR, China and their puppet states made these transgressions look minor in comparison. Hundreds of thousands were killed when Hungry rose up, millions died when Tibet was occupied. The list goes on.
Also the CIA has been scaled back and made answerable.
The big difference is that in the US one can choose or not choose ones faith and political views. In Iran this is not the case the citizens are held under strict Islamic laws and unpopular political statements are not tolerated.
brinktk
Active member
I'm not the one who has thrown the first stones. He has literally said he wishes for me and my children to die because we are Americans...not something that is going to win a lot of friends.
moxen
Active member
Not indeed, We want you to die, because of your presence in Our borders, Your bombardments in Palestine,Lebonan,Iraq,Afghanistan and etc and because of supporting Shah,Saddam,Isis,Rigi,MKo and etc and Shooting a none military flight and killing children and women and at last because of 157M dies of Modernization [stat's by fukoyama]
And not becase of killing our soldiers[Army not Irgc in Persian Gulf/ and not because of direct role against Iran in Iran-Iraq war and not because of Mosaddeq and not because of all of your crimes in your dirty history]
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Yossarian
Forum Resistance Leader
Reading over this whole thread I just get the feeling all it is just poking each other in the Eye.
Hell, if the ideological differences between my government and Tehran weren't there I don't have one single reason to hate any normal Iranian. I'd buy Iranian tennis shoes and read the national newspaper. World is too small for me to stay caught up on all this anymore.
Honestly all I see is the U.S. fighting to manipulate it's economic interests in the region just like we did when we were scared out of our boxer briefs the Soviets were there doing the same thing.
Now USSR is gone and we still have this huge network of financial means via the Petro dollar, and military means via foreign military aid programs as ways to manipulate national leaders to do our bidding and sell us their darn cheap tasty oil!
Only real issue truly is Iran is the one nation in the region that adamantly has said "F that" to American Foreign Policy the last 30 years. (And wants to blow up Israel, kinda problem for American alliances in the region)
So we blew up their Navy in the 80's armed another fanatical Dictator to kill millions , many of his own people, boycotted them and pressured the world to never do any business with them because we claim they are building WMD's like cheap Bangladesh made T shirts saying "I <3 NY".
If Iran sold solely in the U.S. dollar all their oil exports today then overnight they would go form "Axis of Evil" to "Leader of World Peace in this New Age."
And all the America bashing aside, I really don't get to caught up on it anymore. Hell in 20 years it most likely will be China and East Asia leading the Empirical Bandwagon doing the exact same thing by then just like Britain and France did it one century before we started too after WW2.
I love my country but especially in politics there are always going to be douche bags and business men and I know there are plenty in both Washington and Tehran,
But for the rest of us:
World's a small place so I say drink up you sods cause it's crowded with 7 billion of us and we all going to be bumping to each other anyways, and it would be less awkward if we would all at least would smile more often.
Hell, if the ideological differences between my government and Tehran weren't there I don't have one single reason to hate any normal Iranian. I'd buy Iranian tennis shoes and read the national newspaper. World is too small for me to stay caught up on all this anymore.
Honestly all I see is the U.S. fighting to manipulate it's economic interests in the region just like we did when we were scared out of our boxer briefs the Soviets were there doing the same thing.
Now USSR is gone and we still have this huge network of financial means via the Petro dollar, and military means via foreign military aid programs as ways to manipulate national leaders to do our bidding and sell us their darn cheap tasty oil!
Only real issue truly is Iran is the one nation in the region that adamantly has said "F that" to American Foreign Policy the last 30 years. (And wants to blow up Israel, kinda problem for American alliances in the region)
So we blew up their Navy in the 80's armed another fanatical Dictator to kill millions , many of his own people, boycotted them and pressured the world to never do any business with them because we claim they are building WMD's like cheap Bangladesh made T shirts saying "I <3 NY".
If Iran sold solely in the U.S. dollar all their oil exports today then overnight they would go form "Axis of Evil" to "Leader of World Peace in this New Age."
And all the America bashing aside, I really don't get to caught up on it anymore. Hell in 20 years it most likely will be China and East Asia leading the Empirical Bandwagon doing the exact same thing by then just like Britain and France did it one century before we started too after WW2.
I love my country but especially in politics there are always going to be douche bags and business men and I know there are plenty in both Washington and Tehran,
But for the rest of us:
World's a small place so I say drink up you sods cause it's crowded with 7 billion of us and we all going to be bumping to each other anyways, and it would be less awkward if we would all at least would smile more often.
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edmondsonpr
New Member
Won't a nuclear armed Iran be a delight to the peaceful, non-violent religion of Iran?
Just think of all the good that is sure to come...
Months away and counting.
Just think of all the good that is sure to come...
Months away and counting.
Yossarian
Forum Resistance Leader
Just like a nuclear armed Israel is by shooting civilians and bombarding whole neighborhoods with enough firepower used you'd think the Soviets were coming?
MontyB
All-Blacks Supporter
Lets assume you are right (and I am not convinced you are as had Iran really wanted a bomb it would not have taken them 30 years to develop one) and despite saying they don't Iran really wants the bomb, what exactly is Iran going to do with this nuclear capability?
Here is a clue there are a number of nuclear armed countries out there many of them are unstable sh*tholes incapable balancing a cheque book let alone a world view yet in the 70 or so years the nuclear bomb has been threatening the world only one country has ever used them.
My argument remains that as long as one country has them then all countries are entitled to them.
As such I really don't care whether Iran wants them or not.
Yossarian
Forum Resistance Leader
"The costs of worldwide nuclear war in which even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth"
JFK couldn't have said it better, honestly when dealing with weapons of mass destruction, it really doesn't matter that much who uses them. Even a regional conflict in say the India Pakistan region would poison the air and soil thousands of miles away leading to devastating environmental effects.
Flags just stop mattering so much at that point and even for now Rouge States like North Korea understand this just as much as run away super powers.
JFK couldn't have said it better, honestly when dealing with weapons of mass destruction, it really doesn't matter that much who uses them. Even a regional conflict in say the India Pakistan region would poison the air and soil thousands of miles away leading to devastating environmental effects.
Flags just stop mattering so much at that point and even for now Rouge States like North Korea understand this just as much as run away super powers.