International Court of Justice to trial american soldiers ?




 
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July 12th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 

Topic: International Court of Justice to trial american soldiers ?


Uhm.. feel free to move this elsewhere cuz I couldnt think of the right place to start it in.

People around me often argue that the US actually acts just like the non democratic countries do on the international scene since it doesnt accept the rule of the International Court of Justice to judge their soldiers.
I patiently (seldom ) take my time to explain them that of course the UD does good.
why should the americans accept that any judge, anywhere, anytime, sues , say, the US President for alleged crimes on humankind or warcrimes or such? the President should leave office until he is recognized innocent ( if he is ), therefore making democracy virtually useless.
In fact, he is the highest rank of the US armed forces.
In my opinion they do good in non accepting such jurisdiction.
We already have bilteral agreements of extradiction with many countries and that must be enough.
I will keep fighting those ignorant ideas back to where they come from.
I know it's a very specific topic but - hey - we got 1,300 users here, anyone interested ?
July 12th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
The proble is is that america seems to have double standards as it is happy for slobadan milosevic etc. to be prosecuted and forces contries to extradite citizens but it is not happy for that to happen to its own citizens

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2192180.stm
July 12th, 2004  
Duty Honor Country
 
 
I've heard the battle cry for George Bush to be brought up on War Crime charges and I have to Laugh. There are leaders around the world who are outright nasty and no one is lifting a finger to even say those people are wrong. Parts of Africa are killing fields, North Korea and China terrorize their own citizens, the war in Chechnia is not exactly a text book military operation and no one in Iraq besides Sadam is on trial.

I do think the US should recognize the world court, but I can see why the government wants a double standard. If people are going to go after the US, they need to go after every violator of human rights. As of now, the call for Bush to be put on trial is purely political.
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July 12th, 2004  
Marksman
 
 
ok this is ridicilous,Haig is never gonna trial americans cuz they manage it..........its their marionete,they r just gonna put a bunch of serbs to get ridh of them and all,but no albanian terrorists.....thats haig
July 12th, 2004  
Shadowalker
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Doody
As of now, the call for Bush to be put on trial is purely political.
Ive not heard people want bush to go on trial, there are far more deserving people who need to go on trial! its just that i dont agree that america wants to use the court to punish people of different nationalities whilst it wont allow its own citizens to stand trial(i doubt any will even if it is open to anyone, just like i doubt many brits, french, germans etc will go on trial)
July 12th, 2004  
Doc.S
 
I am from sweden and I will be honest to you in this question, I will never recognize the Haag court of justice. Why? The same rules for all countrys and all political leaders or they can turn down the court, thats why.

I think that Haag is a very nice break in routine so our western political leaders can sit on there buts and stay in office without being questioned for their involvment those leaders that they take in to that so called court.
If they want to be up front and honest. Our political leaders have to take some responsibility for the fact that people as Slobodan Milosevic came to power. But Haag is not the answer. Well ---

I say bloody hypocrites, it is disgusting friends....

The court is a living evidence of European politics. I feel ashamed when I look at the news and see those how have been put there for their so called justice. The Haag is only a political correct justice. Nothing will change that. And justice should not be a political arena.

Do you hear any presidents or primeministers of Europe telling US that Saddam Hussein should be brought up to justice in Haag? Well on the news maby. But they are not screaming it around as they did when US attacked Iraq do they?. Well the answer are pretty obvious.

Those countries that did not go to Iraq to put an end to Saddam Husseins rule of terrror they did and still have a lot to hide from the world community and they are not interested to see a trial where Saddam Hussein can tell the world what our leaders have done to make his rule of terror last for 30 years. If you are smart you can see those connections without to much problem.

If Haag will have any respect from me they should have all so called war crime fellons there. That list would be loooong. And not only Slobodan Milosevic would be on that list, thats for sure. Or no one because this is not looking good. A coin always have two sides thats my point.

Do you want to live in a policestate where the UN is running the show? Is that freedom? No international Haag justice as I seen it will be recognized of me as a person. That court is something that people have not been voiting on. Good or bad. That is only signatures on pieces of papers.

But that is the truth. And I donīt think any human libertys are going to be jeopardized because of a little group big men wanting a world gouverment and a ruling elite that can stay clean as snow. No sir.... Im not up for it. Are you? Well thats your problem then. Doc.S have spokend and these are my 2 cents.

Cheers:
Doc.S

July 13th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
Uhm...some of you guys are experiencing a tremendous misunderstanding: the Hague Court is NOT the ICJ.

http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0822353.html

And http://www.infoplease.com/ce6/history/A0825340.html
July 13th, 2004  
SAINT
 
8) Basically I don't agree that american soldiers be put on trial for some 'crimes' which I think the media or news made a big fuss about and publicised too much about it. Then people in the world begin to talk bad about the American soldiers.

Are people putting too high standards for the American soldiers while ignoring other atrocities committed elsewhere in the world by soldiers of other countries? -- but we don't know much about these atrocities simply because it's not on TV news?

July 13th, 2004  
Italian Guy
 
 
Totally right, HERO. Nice to know that someone in the East supports this point.
July 13th, 2004  
Damien435
 
 
This talk of US soldiers being judged by other countries is BS, when was the last time a foreign soldier was tryed by a US, or even partially US court? Nurmeberg. And that was after the greatest war we have ever fought and Germany killing as many as 14 million people. And we put our own soldiers on trial for their crimes. To be quite honest I would like to know how they intend to cary out or enforce any rulings the International Community makes? We have proved many times that no one tells the US what to do. When the UN ruled against any military action in Iraq we basically said ok, that is your opinion, but it doesn't matter, we will go in anyways, basically we laughed in their faces and said try to stop us.

I especially liked how France voted against our invasion of Iraq then they complained when we did not allow French companies into Iraq to make money off of the rebuilding of Iraq.