Indonesia - Page 5




 
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April 24th, 2005  
zhjsg
 
if any one wanna to know what is happening in 1998, and if he/she understand chinese, i think i can help a bit
for those who dont know chinese, still u can get a shocked feel just watch the pictures in the web
April 24th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
look at my flag and ull know i speak chinese

ive got the guts to look at it but if its any worse than nanjing masscre ill save my dinner

lol i just want to know the articles describing the tragic event, apparently indonesians nowadays sorta changed their views of china after we helped them in the tsunami event
April 26th, 2005  
A Can of Man
 
 
About the Chinese in 98... yes they were the scape goats of the economic crisis. Suharto tried to turn the attention towards them and not himself. Chinese areas of Jakarta got raided badly. I can't tell you how many people died though. I never got those figures.
Stories we heard that were quite persistent were that rioters, rapists etc. etc. were actually TRUCKED to the Chinese neighborhoods via Army trucks. So basically means that this was no coincidence. It's possible that the government paid a group of people to take the initiative and start an anti-Chinese rampage in the city, where upon angry locals would join in and make it bigger. It's not unreasonable to believe this... in Indonesia, Suharto's party (even after Suharto) paid people to rally for them during the runups to the first elections.

So basically while this chaos was going on, Suharto was out of the country. He came back and the rioting stopped. I think this actually happened twice, though I'm not sure the first time around, the Chinese were attacked on an organized manner. It worked somewhat the first time, so when Suharto came under fire yet again, the rumor is that he engineered it. Again, it seemed like one of those rumors you could actually believe. After all, the people chose to believe this one, and the tactic (if it was one) backfired and it killed off Suharto's political legitimacy altogether leading to his downfall.

So there's a little inside stuff from someone who was there at the time and I hope it answers some of your questions MadeinChina
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April 26th, 2005  
Boobies
 
 
Thanks 13th! Good info.
April 26th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
ya.. thanks

well, the terrible times we have lived in....
April 27th, 2005  
godofthunder9010
 
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by GIANTNEVERSAYNO
I believe that, the Indonesians requires more than a decade to rebuild their country. As mentioned earlier, they were hit hard by tsunami, almost the entire city wiped out, lately, the eartquake is giving them a lot of problems and their volcanoes are getting active. These factors will surely give a huge economical impact to their economy.... W/out money, they can't do anything.
Considering that they were barely relevant Internationally before the tsunami, that disaster certainly doesn't help matters.

To say that Indonesia needs 10 years to rebuild is forgetting something: It was primarily Sumatra that was affected. Most of Indonesia was not directly hit. So outside of the affected portions of Sumatra, Indonesia remains pretty much the same.

The greatest obstacles in the way of Indonesia developing:
1.) Disunity. Their country is a single nation in name and government, but it doesn't seem to engender much in the way of national pride, nor overall sense of unity.
2.) As stated, a prevalence of natural disasters.
3.) Poverty and the corruption that always comes with it.
4.) Civil Wars.

I wonder if Indonesia can develop properly, or if it would require a breakup into several smaller nations before it can work?
April 28th, 2005  
G.A.F.E.S.
 
Well their air force is not that bad for peaceful country.
April 28th, 2005  
r031Button
 
 
I wouldn't exactly call Indonesia peaceful. It's just too concerned with controlling it's own civil wars to be outwardly agressive.
April 29th, 2005  
GIANTNEVERSAYNO
 
The greatest obstacles in the way of Indonesia developing:
1.) Disunity. Their country is a single nation in name and government, but it doesn't seem to engender much in the way of national pride, nor overall sense of unity.
2.) As stated, a prevalence of natural disasters.
3.) Poverty and the corruption that always comes with it.
4.) Civil Wars.


Godofthunder, I do agree with you that corruption is a way of life over there... My family visited the country back few years ago, we have to give an extra 'tip' just for their immigration officers to process our passport sooner, If we insist of not paying the tip, then we have to wait until the end of the day. They will take their own sweet time to process your passport.
Poverty is a major issue, especially in the Capital. There are many jobless people and they are easily provoked by any rumours.
April 29th, 2005  
MadeInChina
 
um, can you tell me about the hatred towards chinese in indonesia, can you give me more detail on why indonesians hated chinese???