Indonesia - Page 2




 
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December 6th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
How long were you in Indonesia 13th Redneck?

Australia has had a rather chequered history with regards to Timor which I am not too proud of.

Our forces did well in Timor but unfortunately the worst of the killing was over by the time we put boots on the ground. I don't think we handled the thing at all well (politically) leading up to granting autonomy for East Timor.

I think Howard misread the indonesian leadership on the issue at the time.

I am an Aussie Rules man. Hate Rugby!!!!!

Carn the Cats (Hopeless Geelong Fan!!!! )
December 6th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Aussie Rules always fascinated me because it seems like a cross of football, basketball and rugby.

I lived in Indonesia for about 6 years so I speak the language to a certain extent. It wasn't 6 years in a row, rather 1 year, then returned for 5.

Everyone reacted too late for East Timor. Australia was waiting for the UN and that's when all the killing was taking place. The UN worked in its usual fashion. I think it was probably here that I really started to dislike the UN. Not to mention UN workers often have this very elitist, snobbish attitude. They see themselves as heroes saving the world. A stupid attitude for a stupid organization.

Either way, Australia's going to be even busier with Indonesia. It's the one country in Southeast Asia where Al Qaeda can run pretty much free. In Malaysia and Singapore they crack down on them full time. In the Philippines there's a constant war against them and their likes. In Indonesia... nothing. They'll only be arrested if they actually blow something up. Megawati has no power over anything. Remember, she even failed to get elected the first time around.... and that was when her popularity was at an all time high. Just how the heck did she manage to not win that election? Incompetence.

So what can I say?
Have fun...
December 6th, 2004  
AussieNick
 
Our military have done exercises with the Indonesians over the past couple of decades, and as such, they haven't shown themselves to be very good at what they do. Timor was a source of big tension as the Indonesians were anti-autonomy, Australia was pro Autonomy... but ever since the bali bombing we have been working closer together, building up a better raport with their gov. Then we had the Mariot Hotel bombing and the bombing of the Australian embassy in Jakarta. These have created more strength rather than dissolved it.
As for military assets, the army is poorly equiped and trained, but the airforce has f-16 falcons and is looking at buying SU-27 and SU-30's from the Russians. So they are doing ok on the airforce front.
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December 6th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
For the turf they're in, their equipment seems alright. Just there's a lot more to a military than just that. They seem to lack a sense of seriousness about their job. Often they lack professionalism. Not just military but just throughout the country it's a problem.
December 6th, 2004  
Young Winston
 
 
Listening to the news on SBS TV last night and the following survey results were released from Indonesia.

16% of a population of 220,000,000 believed that terrorist action was OK as long as it was for the protection of Islam!!!!!

Not sure how accurate the data is but if true it means there is a lot of work to do in the region.
December 6th, 2004  
Darcia
 
Interesting....btw was it Indonesia that was called a great allie in the war on terrorism...
December 7th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
I'm surprised it's only 16%... but also there's a large number (dunno percentage) who do not believe Osama Bin Laden actually attacked the WTC. There is a common belief that the Mossad did it to bring America into full scale war with Muslim countries. Amazingly makes a little more sense than the popular European view of the CIA doing it.
Not just a lot of work to do... this is potentially the next front line.

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Originally Posted by aussiejohn
Listening to the news on SBS TV last night and the following survey results were released from Indonesia.

16% of a population of 220,000,000 believed that terrorist action was OK as long as it was for the protection of Islam!!!!!

Not sure how accurate the data is but if true it means there is a lot of work to do in the region.
And on Indonesia being an ally... it's government tries but has no power. The will of the people is completely different. Remember, Anti-Americanism is the in fashion ideology all around the world, this includes Indonesia.
Indonesia's not a great ally. It's really a mixed bag. I think the government realizes that radical groups are bad for the country's stability but continously find themselves unable to act.

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Originally Posted by Dameon
Interesting....btw was it Indonesia that was called a great allie in the war on terrorism...
December 7th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
I know I'd heard that Indonesia is not 100% Muslim and that other religions play a significant role. Likely that there is some Christian and some Buddist (considering the location) but does anyone have the numbers on it? I appologize if I missed it in a prior post.

From what everyone says, it sounds like Indonesia is very disunified and pretty weak militarily. Quite interesting to find out more about.
December 8th, 2004  
A Can of Man
 
 
Indonesia is overwhelmingly Muslim. There are Christians here and there but they usually don't hold power. A reason why Christian counts could be high is that many Batak groups in Sumatra are Christian. Then there are those here and there across the islands.
There are some Hindus but they too play a very, very minor role. Their main significance is that they own Bali, which is a huge income machine for Indonesia. If it weren't for this, they wouldn't be in the picture at all. Then there are also those tribal religions but they're in the places that again, hold no power.
For all practical purposes, it is a Muslim country.
Here are percentages:
Muslim: 87%
Christianity: 10%
Hinduism: 2%
Buddhism: 1%.


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Originally Posted by godofthunder9010
I know I'd heard that Indonesia is not 100% Muslim and that other religions play a significant role. Likely that there is some Christian and some Buddist (considering the location) but does anyone have the numbers on it? I appologize if I missed it in a prior post.

From what everyone says, it sounds like Indonesia is very disunified and pretty weak militarily. Quite interesting to find out more about.
December 8th, 2004  
godofthunder9010
 
 
That's more heavily Muslim that I would have expected. Interesting.